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Jordan Peterson ~ MBTI, Enneagram, and Socionics Personality Type

Jordan Peterson

Psychologist

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INFJ 14
INTP 2
ESTJ 1
ENFJ 1
ENTJ 1
ISFJ 1
1w2 19
1w9 5
5w4 3
5w6 2
2w1 1
so/sp 18
sp/so 1
LII 11
LIE 7
EII 2
ESI 2
EIE 1
LEVF 4
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public myers-briggs votes
(22/09/06 13:18) GIJOEBusta Cap: INFJ
(21/10/20 13:00) Reinek: ENFJ
(21/01/09 02:00) Sean91939: ENTJ
(21/01/07 13:27) Darkstar: INFJ
(20/07/18 11:57) ethan: ENFJ
(20/06/13 15:41) Flower-like: ESTJ
(20/05/14 14:58) fleetingpetals1: INTJ
(20/04/28 15:57) Thyssen: INTJ
(19/12/22 19:08) bibliology: INFJ
(19/06/25 11:38) typometrics.tumblr: ENFJ
(19/09/15 08:15) fsninetwo: INFJ
(19/06/24 22:10) LadyX: ENTJ
(19/06/23 03:51) Diobono: ENTJ
(19/02/26 21:43) Cholericus: ENTP
(19/05/21 11:02) Taco110: ENFJ
(18/12/16 10:06) socjonikamas: ENFJ
(18/12/02 17:33) twinpinks: INTJ
(18/12/02 12:07) jeorge: INFJ
(20/04/29 12:47) Tman: INFJ
(18/11/15 20:21) Tch: INTJ
(18/09/08 16:25) *~snow~*: ENTJ
(18/07/24 05:37) fg: ESTJ
(18/07/10 04:31) scumfuc: ENTJ
(18/09/08 14:53) LVNA: ENTJ
(18/06/05 04:25) Nyx: ENTJ
(18/06/04 01:06) edza: ENTJ
(18/06/03 02:31) Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys: ENTJ
(18/05/28 02:10) Teru Mikami: INTJ
public function votes
(22/09/06 13:18) GIJOEBusta Cap: INFJ
(22/03/09 10:09) Woll Smoth: INFJ
(21/10/20 13:05) Reinek: INFJ
(21/05/11 14:00) 12345tp12345: INFJ
(21/01/09 02:00) Sean91939: ENTJ
(21/01/07 13:27) Darkstar: INFJ
(20/06/13 15:41) Flower-like: ESTJ
(20/04/28 15:57) Thyssen: INFJ
(19/09/23 15:15) LVNA: INTP
(19/09/23 14:32) Teru Mikami: INTP
(19/09/15 08:15) fsninetwo: INFJ
(19/07/05 17:26) tman: INFJ
(19/06/25 12:43) typometrics.tumblr: INFJ
(19/02/26 21:20) tch: INFJ
(19/02/26 17:30) Taco110: INFJ
(18/12/11 10:19) Phantom: INFJ
(18/08/25 10:51) fiddlediddle: INFJ
(18/07/24 05:37) fg: ISFJ
(18/06/05 04:25) Nyx: ENFJ
(19/09/23 14:40) Diobono: INFJ
public enneagram votes
(22/09/06 13:18) GIJOEBusta Cap: 1w2
(21/05/11 14:00) 12345tp12345: 1w9
(21/01/09 02:00) Sean91939: 1w2
(21/01/07 13:27) Darkstar: 1w2
(20/12/12 02:31) Lol: 5w4
(20/04/28 15:57) Thyssen: 1w2
(19/09/11 06:24) DJ: 1w2
(19/06/25 11:47) typometrics.tumblr: 1w2
(19/06/25 08:43) fsninetwo: 1w2
(19/06/24 22:10) LadyX: 1w2
(19/05/15 22:17) tch: 1w2
(19/03/10 23:23) bioomer: 1w9
(19/02/26 21:45) Cholericus: 5w6
(19/02/26 17:34) bloomer: 1w2
(19/02/26 17:30) Taco110: 1w2
(18/12/16 10:07) socjonikamas: 1w9
(18/12/11 10:20) Phantom: 1w2
(18/12/02 12:10) jeorge: 1w9
(22/05/25 14:49) Tman: 1w9
(18/10/13 23:45) switchblades: 1w2
(18/08/25 14:56) *~snow~*: 1w2
(18/08/25 10:51) fiddlediddle: 1w2
(18/07/10 04:31) scumfuc: 5w6
(18/06/08 07:43) Stephen Hearts: 5w4
(18/06/05 05:53) lvna: 1w2
(18/06/05 05:52) Nyx: 2w1
(18/06/04 01:17) edza: 1w2
(18/07/25 03:09) fg: 1w2
(18/05/28 02:10) Teru Mikami: 5w4
(18/05/28 05:25) diobono: 1w2
public instinctual variant votes
(21/05/11 14:00) 12345tp12345: so/sp
(21/01/09 02:00) Sean91939: so/sp
(21/01/07 13:27) Darkstar: so/sp
(20/04/28 15:57) Thyssen: so/sp
(19/12/22 19:08) bibliology: so/sp
(20/04/29 12:48) Tman: sp/so
(19/09/11 06:24) DJ: so/sp
(19/06/25 11:49) typometrics.tumblr: so/sp
(19/06/25 08:43) fsninetwo: so/sp
(19/06/24 22:10) LadyX: so/sp
(19/05/21 11:02) Taco110: so/sp
(19/02/26 21:45) Cholericus: so/sp
(18/12/11 10:20) Phantom: so/sp
(18/12/02 12:11) jeorge: so/sp
(18/08/25 14:57) *~snow~*: so/sp
(18/06/05 04:26) Nyx: so/sp
(18/05/28 05:14) fg: so/sp
(18/05/28 02:10) Teru Mikami: so/sp
public tritype® votes
(22/05/25 14:50) Tman: 145
(21/05/11 14:00) 12345tp12345: 145
(21/01/09 02:00) Sean91939: 164
(21/01/07 13:27) Darkstar: 153
(20/05/31 09:15) Diobono: 163
(19/12/22 19:08) bibliology: 136
(19/06/25 11:49) typometrics.tumblr: 163
(19/06/24 22:10) LadyX: 135
(19/02/26 21:50) ResoluteSoul: 451
(19/02/26 21:47) Cholericus: 593
(18/12/02 12:09) jeorge: 461
(18/09/13 04:13) LVNA: 631
public sociotype votes
(22/03/09 10:13) Woll Smoth: LII
(21/11/10 20:42) Tman: EII
(21/05/11 14:00) 12345tp12345: LIE
(21/08/16 18:01) Sean91939: LIE
(21/01/14 01:02) Darkstar: EII
(20/07/18 11:58) ethan: EIE
(20/05/14 14:58) fleetingpetals1: LIE
(20/02/29 02:29) Lol: LII
(20/01/26 11:28) 0990: LIE
(20/01/25 12:11) zazu: LII
(19/09/11 06:06) DJ: LII
(19/05/06 20:23) Avalonia: LIE
(19/04/20 11:39) Phantom: LII
(19/03/10 18:32) Resonare: LII
(19/02/26 21:45) Cholericus: LII
(18/12/16 09:46) socjonikamas: ESI
(18/11/15 20:22) Tch: LII
(18/10/13 23:46) switchblades: LII
(19/12/02 01:09) LVNA: LIE
(18/07/25 03:09) fg: ESI
(18/07/10 04:31) scumfuc: LIE
(18/06/04 08:13) Teru Mikami: LII
(18/06/04 01:06) edza: LII
public psychosophy votes
(21/05/11 14:00) 12345tp12345: LEVF
(20/05/14 14:58) fleetingpetals1: LEVF
(22/05/25 14:50) Tman: LEVF
(19/10/16 15:33) Phantom: LEVF
public hexaco votes
Diobono int 5w4 ili
Se inferior low pain tolerance. Would rather be put in a coma then go through drug withdrawal 

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2020-03-05 04:19:07am (post #7757)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
inferior Se addicted to benzos.

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2019-09-23 02:31:17pm (post #7086)
Diobono int 5w4 ili
He's an addict, gotta be a perceiver tbqh

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2019-09-23 02:03:43pm (post #7085)
DJ INFJ 4w5 sp/sx Researcher (415) Harmonic, EII-Ne
LII-Ti, Dominant (EJ) subtype

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2019-09-11 06:17:52am (post #7068)
tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI
He's not scorates and most typical SJWs are NFJs. Peterson ins't a bring of truth he's a scared little boy whining about things he dons't understand. He sad and scared little man. Plus his prensation is completly difrent from that of Socrates. He's not some rabble roser, he's genraly very soft spoken, and EXTREMLY carful with his words, so even for your reductive sterytopes, ENTP still dosn't make sense.

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2019-07-05 05:25:52pm (post #6572)
jt ISFJ 1 <3 fg
<3 fg
reminds me of Socrates. Though his messages seem very far-reaching. The SJWs (ESFJs I think) consider him dangerous because like how Socrates (ENTP) was basically encouraging NTs and SPs to analyze, looking past the lies the ESFJ/ISFJ created. Thats why I think Jordan is ENTP - his Ti is far stronger than Fe but both are used fairly often.

An INFJ would in contrast be involved in many humanitarian projects. Don't get me wrong - he really does have an amazing cause - able to connect to many of his viewers emotionally even. So INFJ does make sense - though I think his messages are rather unfiltered and Jordan rarely bothers trying to delete his youtube videos - so totally extroverted and maybe even perceiving

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2019-07-05 07:27:41am (post #6570)
typometrics.tumblr INFJ 4w5 (459) sp/sx EII
Based on this interview, you can clearly type his dichotomies. Constructivist, Process, Strategic. This leaves either EIE or EII. The debate should be between these two.

https://youtu.be/DKc4-iVJsL0

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2019-06-25 11:08:00am (post #6492)
typometrics.tumblr INFJ 4w5 (459) sp/sx EII
I'm not sure he would be as introverted as people are making him out to be as LII. His Big Five results are a testament to that. To my knowledge, he also seems quite Beta(lobsters!). Maybe EIE. I could see polr Si and Ti as suggestive.

Extroversion (Enthusiasm): 75-80
Extroversion (Assertiveness): 99
Openness to Experience (Intellect): 99
Openness to Experience (Openness): 95
Agreeableness (Compassion): 75-80
Agreeableness (Politeness): 30-40
Conscientiousness (Industriousness): 99
Conscientiousness (Orderliness): 70-75
Neuroticism (Withdrawal): Low
Neuroticism (Volatility): Quite High

https://youtu.be/C2jCv9A3AuA 

 

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2019-06-23 01:16:52am (post #6476)
Resonare INTJ 1w9 sp/sx ILI-Te
LII.

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2019-03-10 06:32:06pm (post #5544)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
TiNe for an LII is about finding the underlying laws and principles for everything, which he does on a near constant basis. As a psychologist it's his career in relation to human behavior and on top of that he routinely delves into the theological, trying to find the core nature of stories throughout all of history, their message and their symbolic relation to human behavior and other religions. A lot of his pre-mainstream time was spent on this. Post-fame he's published a book with perspective on how to think about life, treat yourself and be precise in debate, to help people avoid the common mistakes he sees them make. I very quickly skimmed through it and saw an entire chapter dedicated to pursuing "what's important" over what's "expedient". His idea of "being productive" and "getting your life on track" is cleaning your room and fixing something in your environment, as if that took him his entire life to figure out. He openly despises strong (emotional) reactions not just in others but also himself, the only strong reaction he has towards anything is towards people who try to impose on him by force or appeals to emotion, which is when he shuts down into stubborn denial and antagonization. jfl at FiSe or thinking he values Te at all, dude would cringe if he read any of their descriptions.

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2018-12-16 07:25:18pm (post #4293)
socjonikamas intj 1w5 ILI
I don't understand why people type him as LII. He is definitely not an alpha quadra member. First of all he isn't democratic at all, he constantly talks about social hierarchies which is characteristic trait of aristocratic types. He is also objectivist. His Ti is very weak and undervalued because he often doesn't care about it at all and reverts to Te (we can see this as he cares more about usefulness than logic, and because his Ti is not values he often contradicts himself and isn't precise in his speech). He is also more Fi as he often talks about relationships between people in hierarchies and downplays emotions (unvalued Fe). He is Ni user which is very evident and doesn't need an explanation. Se user because power, "slaying dragons", hierarchies and so on. In conclusion definitely not an alpha quadra. He is ethical and maybe sensory with developed intuition (or intuitive with underdeveloped logic which I think is correct however ethical type is more probable)

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2018-12-16 10:01:58am (post #4287)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
That's right fg, you're also an INFJ.

 

silly Si types will never see my big picture

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2018-08-25 07:56:18pm (post #3024)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
lol why you guys taking the bait you're definitely getting a love letter now

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2018-08-25 01:34:25pm (post #3016)
fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST
fiddlediddle, you just type almost every character (real or fictionnal) that you like as INFJ. and then you are saying bullshit, twist function for make them tell what you want for appuying your views. you would be able to type anything as INFJ if you wanted. how we are supposed to trust your judgment while you attribute the same type to character that have not any characteristic in common outside your love for them.

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2018-08-25 12:50:14pm (post #3015)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
whatever is thrown at me by you, bounces off and sticks to you like glue

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2018-08-25 12:03:28pm (post #3014)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
I cannot. My Ti is absolute.

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2018-08-25 11:12:03am (post #3012)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
oh shit not this again

 

Since, Teru doesn't like this typing, I'll say again, INFJ (and I'm more than willing to repeat what happened on mbtibase). 1w2 seems reasonable.

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2018-08-25 10:51:41am (post #3010)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
i agree w you though but I've made like shitload of arguments for that already 

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2018-06-10 10:06:49am (post #1160)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
wow I'm sure glad there's always some greasy self-proclaimed skeptic kid to do all the thinking for me

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2018-06-10 10:05:19am (post #1159)
Diobono int 5w4 ili
meant te=inductive*

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2018-06-10 07:29:11am (post #1157)
Diobono int 5w4 ili
Functions wise this guy really can't be a Te dom at all https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=314&v=iIfLTQAKKfg

He clearly starts from some kind of overarching  bonkers theory on what these snakes represents and then goes to the facts rather than the other way around. He does this alot in his lectures.  (I'm going by the idr labs but also jungian way of ti= deductive and te=deductive)

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2018-06-10 07:25:57am (post #1156)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
:p

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2018-06-09 11:24:56pm (post #1146)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
im not doing any of what i said what even are you on about

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2018-06-09 07:09:54pm (post #1143)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
Oh, you do know? You're just not very self-aware then, I see. Work on that, good thing you caught it while you were young. Don't make the same mistakes as me.

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2018-06-09 06:35:06pm (post #1142)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
wow psychology's not a hard science i bet nobody knew that, let's argue jungian functions but bring in other stacks and theories that originated to explain personality disorders so i can be told im right (in a system i dont believe in btw im above all that)

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2018-06-09 06:25:28pm (post #1141)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
You can choose to not be pissed off. I'm not making anything up, I'm just saying, it's all made up. There's no evidence for any of it, it's all interepetation anyways. 

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2018-06-09 06:11:31pm (post #1139)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
why site's boring without the weirdly specific P-D users as posts 

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2018-06-09 06:05:57pm (post #1138)
Blank
I envy how you people don't find arguing as draining as I do.

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2018-06-09 05:56:17pm (post #1137)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
lvna's "weak on the 4" seems like more of a glorification of type 4 than an argument against him, what are your reasons @edza

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2018-06-09 05:22:11pm (post #1136)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
first all you're doing is trying to get under my skin now you're admitting to making stuff up for what exactly? you're not even arguing anything, you're trying to disagree with me whichever way possible and failing fucking horribly

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2018-06-09 05:19:52pm (post #1135)
edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE
lvna is right that he's weak on the 4. I do think he probably has 5w6 or 6w5 in his tritype but it's not as high as 1w2 or maybe even 3.

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2018-06-09 04:51:29pm (post #1133)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
not just PerC but does it matter? I can make up whatever bullshit I want for any ssystem and it would be equally as valid. I can change the definitions for the letters if I so please

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2018-06-09 04:24:42pm (post #1132)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
on PerC

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2018-06-09 03:15:02pm (post #1131)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
They are in function theory....

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2018-06-09 03:04:27pm (post #1130)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
integration is part of the actual enneagram theory, loops aren't

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2018-06-09 06:46:59am (post #1126)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
 

"are you on acid" liberal projection

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2018-06-08 07:49:18pm (post #1124)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
I think if you're going to bring up bullshit like integration than it's fair play for anybody arguing that he's an INFJ that he's simply looping.

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2018-06-08 07:44:56pm (post #1123)
lvna
I will feel up the math equation all I want, while you analyze its indestructable truth.  And no.  But what a drug.  I wonder what Peterson would have to say about it.  Maybe something similar to what Sam Harris did :)

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2018-06-08 06:19:20pm (post #1122)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
and they're not unrelated but there's no point in using "vibes" when you're dealing with something that has predefined traits and criteria, "wow im rlly feeling this math equation" wont get you anywhere lmao

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2018-06-08 06:16:24pm (post #1121)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
are you on acid

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2018-06-08 06:12:11pm (post #1120)
lvna
How do you explain "motivations, desires, fears" as distinct, and unrelated to the vibe someone produces?  I would like to see the metaphysical locus of the self to which you are referring and how it dislodges itself from expressing itself through verbal and behavioral means.  The isolated avatar, of course, must lurk within. Correct? 

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2018-06-08 06:07:02pm (post #1119)
lvna
Nice video of someone brooding about other people not accepting their moral worldview.  Super personal emotional expression right there.  You're just making him look more Kantian btw.  

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2018-06-08 06:01:51pm (post #1118)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
Also:

He clearly blocks himself from indulging in his own emotions and his approach to knowledge is incredibly normalized and not creative or individualistic.

 

lmfao

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2018-06-08 05:34:28pm (post #1117)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
type 5 integrates to 8 ("want to be capable and competent") which already could explain a lot, "getting your act together" is "integration" and isn't very any type but type 1 clings obsessively to "keeping their act together" and substance abuse and self-neglect should be a serious counter-argument, and doesn't he talk all the time about having autoimmune disease or food allergy making him pretty strong on the whole lifestyle thing (plus isn't this and "wanting approval from others" more related to instinctual variants since a lot of 5s want to be seen as "the smartest person in the room")? Obviously any type can "like knowledge" but claiming your entire life revolves around it and turning yourself into an analytical figure that exposes "hierarchies" and how the world works is actually defined as type 5's key motivation, and with your "very x type" you're typing him based off the vibes you get rather than motivations, desires, fears, (dis)integration etc which is what should be ruled out first rather than "what stereotype does he fit most" and "which types would hate him" (that's very collectivist actually)

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2018-06-08 05:33:29pm (post #1116)
lvna
Lol in this video no only is he entirely an open book, which kinda counters everything five, but he consistently talks about "getting his act together," requiring a certain amount of discipline, accomplishing more research than anyone else etc.  He definitely has a lot of three as well, but what you really notice throughout his videos is this desire to use a mix of empiricism and personal hunch to devise a healthy and balanced lifestyle.  In today's age, having a "strong drive for knowledge" can easily be a non-five concern.  Threes and ones are likely to endorse empirical accounts of knowledge, convincing themselves that their enslavement to learning swaths of information that has been previously endorsed as veridical and profound will deliver them to a smarter, more orderly and succesful version of themselves.  Also if he were a 5, he would obviously be 5w6.  He clearly blocks himself from indulging in his own emotions and his approach to knowledge is incredibly normalized and not creative or individualistic...in fact it's incredibly collectivist.  He seems to require the validation of others and the spread of knowledge of his objectively valuable path to validate it to himself. It's like he wants to be some sort of textbook self-actualized individual and support to society and others as a result.  If you wanna categorize that as 5w6, go ahead, but it's also very 1w2.  Anyone with a lot of four would probably loathe this dude and his preachy ideals which endorse a specific path of self actualization.  It's a threat to individuality.  He's like some sort of extraverted Kant who's used psychology to endorse the Kingdom of Ends. 

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2018-06-08 03:41:57pm (post #1115)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
I've linked this video before on the previous site, he explains his "basic motivations" along with how he acted when he deemed himself "unhealthy", type 1s become obsessively rigid and hard on themselves the more unhealthy they get and I've never heard him mention a drive to "improve things" outside of him as opposed to self-actualization and having a strong drive for knowledge

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2018-06-08 05:33:39am (post #1114)
lvna
Kinda unbelievable anyone could see this guy as a 5, much less 5w4.  

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2018-06-07 08:50:12pm (post #1113)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
Keep your elbow pads on melvin

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2018-06-07 08:19:19pm (post #1112)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
nice

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2018-06-07 03:16:20pm (post #1110)
Blank
I changed my mind on his type. 

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2018-06-07 04:22:44am (post #1107)
strawberry crisis enfp 7


 

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2018-06-06 05:27:45am (post #1101)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
see you

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2018-06-05 08:29:20pm (post #1100)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
whatever

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2018-06-05 08:29:14pm (post #1099)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
I'm a non-conformist, same thing I guess

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2018-06-05 08:19:38pm (post #1098)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
you're a fucking loser

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2018-06-05 08:17:28pm (post #1097)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
You hated me ever since I joined this site, which was yesterday. I was never given a chance :(

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2018-06-05 08:16:07pm (post #1096)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
besides i copy fg, do you still want to be me that bad

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2018-06-05 08:15:29pm (post #1095)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
you know i thought you were cool but you turned out to be such a fucking disappointment

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2018-06-05 08:14:50pm (post #1094)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
such denial is hilarious

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2018-06-05 08:13:04pm (post #1093)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
with what? all fg ever joked about is hentai

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2018-06-05 08:11:18pm (post #1092)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
I was on the previous site. I'm just copying fg

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2018-06-05 08:07:04pm (post #1091)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
big think

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2018-06-05 08:01:39pm (post #1090)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
what a coincidence that Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys sounds so eerily similar to PikUpYourPantsPatrol, use the same arguments and buzzwords and know all about me, my supposed age, scotty and address strawberry like you've talked to her before

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2018-06-05 08:01:04pm (post #1089)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
I think all that monster energy is getting to your head big man

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2018-06-05 07:49:11pm (post #1088)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
no its not and u know it lmao

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2018-06-05 07:47:07pm (post #1087)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
This is our first time interacting

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2018-06-05 07:46:04pm (post #1086)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
man stop accusing people of projecting when u go ahead and say this shit, you even told me this applies to you more than me months ago

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2018-06-05 07:44:46pm (post #1085)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
You really hate being wrong lol

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2018-06-05 07:38:05pm (post #1084)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
remember when you just called people dumb and ugly without being a nitpicking moron about it

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2018-06-05 07:35:57pm (post #1083)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
I set no traps, you just talk without thinking

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2018-06-05 07:31:38pm (post #1082)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
of course not i never fall for it dickhead

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2018-06-05 07:29:53pm (post #1081)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
I'm not making you say anything, you just keep exposing yourself

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2018-06-05 07:27:59pm (post #1080)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
u know i was gonna bring up that all u try to do is trap me and preemptively guess what I'll say so u can call me a hypocrite rather than making a point thanks for that

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2018-06-05 07:20:56pm (post #1079)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
That's very specific, sounds like projection

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2018-06-05 07:18:58pm (post #1078)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
the true gentleman's way is blackmailing them for foot pics ill try this and hope it gets me further than arguing w kids online at 24

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2018-06-05 07:16:29pm (post #1077)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
"I don't even care mane" You're not as tough as you think you are Teru. I don't appreciate how you talk to women you mysognistic pig. Keep being a douchebag, see where it gets you in life.

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2018-06-05 07:14:27pm (post #1076)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
no one cares 

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2018-06-05 07:12:06pm (post #1075)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
"It's just a prank bro" 

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2018-06-05 07:09:09pm (post #1074)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
i knew since the whole parody account thing u dont get irony but this is next level autistic

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2018-06-05 07:06:41pm (post #1073)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
You called strawberry your mom, calling random girls your mom is next level creepy.

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2018-06-05 07:05:19pm (post #1072)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
wow first you're arguing w a supposed kid tryna find out my age now you're asking for more personal info that's pretty creepy man

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2018-06-05 07:03:21pm (post #1071)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
When is your birthday?

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2018-06-05 06:59:51pm (post #1070)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
Ok, so you're not 18. 18 in 3 months, congratulations, want a medal?

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2018-06-05 06:59:23pm (post #1069)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
im turning 18 in 3 months idiot did you forget how to count

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2018-06-05 06:56:12pm (post #1068)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
I don't expect you to be convinced, you're 16

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2018-06-05 06:54:39pm (post #1067)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
if u say hes one type over another and keep giving reasons for why u think it expecting people to be convinced then yes it is a debate 

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2018-06-05 06:51:32pm (post #1066)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
Durrr but Teru not everything is a debate

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2018-06-05 06:46:39pm (post #1065)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
if you won't address any arguments made against you and settle at "yeah but it's real in my head!!!" then don't comment

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2018-06-05 06:01:03pm (post #1064)
Blank
It is a lot of text so I forget things. Bottom line, INFJ makes sense to me, doesn't make any sense to you. Let's continue living.

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2018-06-05 05:47:24pm (post #1063)
Blank
It is a lot of text so I forget things. Bottom line, INFJ makes sense to me, doesn't make any sense to you. Let's continue living.

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2018-06-05 05:47:24pm (post #1062)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
I don't think walking around campus and debating people that they should respect you before even considering to ask them to call you something out of the usual is very harmonious

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2018-06-05 05:41:13pm (post #1061)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
how many times do I have to say that i don't think he's any type by functions, he would have more of a custom stack like most non-walking stereotypes and Ti and Ni would be high up there without translating into a predefined grant stack, by letters he's INTJ and by functions he's high on both without Fe

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2018-06-05 05:39:29pm (post #1060)
Blank
I would argue that he caring on people shouldn't use gender pronouns could be a fine example of Fe. Why to even care?

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2018-06-05 05:38:50pm (post #1059)
Blank
Btw, I'm fine with not convincing anyone. I'm just saying what I believe it's true. Sometimes I will be right and others wrong. I don't get any pleasure on imposing what I think. I will just say that in my understanding of Ni and Ti he looks more Ni. That understanding might change as it did in the past but it is what is now. I'm cool with you defending he is an INTP even if I don't believe it because the time we all agree we will either too right or too fucked up. And it is most likely to be the latter.

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2018-06-05 05:34:37pm (post #1058)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
thing I'm saying is that even outside of lectures he has little to no Fe (or F) traits and that in functions you can't be Ti tertiary when you're not Fe auxiliary (or that he would even be lecturing about the topics he lectures about or make very personal choices such as refusing to accept gender pronouns and actively rebelling against it but those are really specific things which can be related to a lot more than just letters so no thanks but he's still not F or Fe in any way)

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2018-06-05 05:33:57pm (post #1057)
Blank
Oh, I thought you were ENTP. My bad.

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2018-06-05 05:25:27pm (post #1055)
Blank
The thing I was saying is that he doesn't have to use Fe when he is giving a lecture as he isn't interacting with the audience.

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2018-06-05 05:25:01pm (post #1054)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
I'm INTP 5w4 lmfao

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2018-06-05 05:24:14pm (post #1053)
Blank
If I was Teru I would get sick of the INTPs 5w4 on this site. I know I would.

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2018-06-05 05:20:36pm (post #1052)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
besides I do think he fits into Ni as I said before but the "INFJs without Fe" aren't INFJs by definition

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2018-06-05 05:20:29pm (post #1051)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
@blank as long as you don't address your criteria of Ni and how it's related to actual Ni and more prominent than his Ti no one's gonna be convinced my man

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2018-06-05 05:19:18pm (post #1050)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
I'm telling them that they're ignoring Fe and don't even bring it up instead focusing on a tertiary function that's actually more obvious than the auxiliary while it should be the other way around and I'm not lying

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2018-06-05 05:16:26pm (post #1049)
Blank
When you watch Jordan Peterson in a conference he isn't interacting with the people, he is expressing his truth. So his focus is probably more about what he is talking than other people that play no part. So he is going to use both introverts functions.

Ni per se is enough to bring endless debates on whether some characters are using Ti or Ni, imagine that with the help of terciary Ti. But personally, I really didn't see Ti the first thing but Ni, but that was a first impression.

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2018-06-05 05:15:46pm (post #1048)
Nyx INTP 5w4 593 Sx/Sp
I have to disagree with several facts that have been brought to light in this conversation.  When discussing the proper stack of MBTI (in an) INTP would be low in any extraverted judging function.  Not only would enneagram 5 need to integrate to enneagram 8 for the average user to show progress in this regard, the majority would argue against any of that actually occurring when referencing a common INFJ or any other Fe user.

It goes past all doubts that anyone could start looping or disintegrating their function and enneagram at any point of their life, so several arguments taking this into account would have to be made to accurately gauge the subject on the points you want to make. 

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2018-06-05 05:14:43pm (post #1047)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
What are you even on about you meringue flavored poptart? "you guys are ignoring Fe and making up your own function definitions just so you can paste "tertiary Ti" on him" That's one of many

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2018-06-05 05:05:45pm (post #1046)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
point out where I'm supposedly strawmanning or go suck some toes you noodle armed melvin

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2018-06-05 05:00:24pm (post #1045)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
hahahah first thing i hear him saying is that it's the dude's own fault for having his wife cheat on him behind his back and that it's his problem that he killed himself, he's absolutely F

 

@blank no, "INFJs who look like INTPs" are actually INTPs, if you're arguing in stacks and they don't fit into Fe (which is their primary extraverted function and is supposed to be the function they use to interact with the world) more than they do Ti they don't have it as their auxiliary, the only people this ever happens to are on online forums, which are also the places people come up with their own definitions, criteria and circle-jerked stereotypes

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2018-06-05 04:58:25pm (post #1044)
Blank
Dollar, was really necessary that comment?

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2018-06-05 04:54:16pm (post #1043)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
Teru stop-strawmanning like an angry emo liberal

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2018-06-05 04:51:50pm (post #1042)
Blank
What someone says it is Ti for others is Ni. They can look very similar.

I wil disagree with that. Not doble checking is arrogance. Double checking is accuracy. 10 times checking the same thing, that's insecurity.

It is not like we make up our theories, something is unoviodable or everyone in this site will agree on everything but a lot come from IDRlabs or related sources. In my experience on MBTI by functions a ton of INFJs look as INTPs and it has to do with Ni and terciary Ti. 

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2018-06-05 04:45:57pm (post #1041)
diobono int 5w4 ili
I meant that usually people who have Ti or Te higher in the stack are more confident in their reasoning  while in some debates he doesn't appear like that alot.

 Putting "social order above truth" is how i interpret his "truth serves life" thing which is basically equal to disregarding truth to make it fit for societal purposes such as the wellbeing of individuals, which he cares alot about  and his whole thing with hiding the bitter truths in order to protect the health of people (in the video at min 17 or so such as in the wife cheating on the man is actually a thing you are not supposed to tell to preserve his wellbeing) is a very feelerish thing.   Being a little syncretistic but that is basically in  socionics putting ethics above logic which indicates being a feeler. 

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2018-06-05 04:38:53pm (post #1040)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
@blank that's not a "Ti tendency", it's a tendency self-conscious/insecure people have

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2018-06-05 04:37:49pm (post #1039)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
you guys are ignoring Fe and making up your own function definitions just so you can paste "tertiary Ti" on him even though it's the first thing you notice, Ti is defined as "analytical, deductive, subjective" and tries to reduce things to their principles, Fe is about harmony, connection and the feelings of the people around you, it's "motherly" and dislikes conflict, charisma and "having a way with words" are skills, not criteria for functions

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2018-06-05 04:36:53pm (post #1038)
Nyx INTP 5w4 593 Sx/Sp
Yeah teru no one buys your stereotypes, get refuted 

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2018-06-05 04:30:20pm (post #1037)
Blank
Teru,

Nope. While I consider my self an INTP my confidence is good irl. So I don't buy that stereotype.

I refer to the tendenciy of Ti to double check anything on any moment to bring a more accurate perspective.

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2018-06-05 04:27:46pm (post #1036)
Blank
Diobono, I agree with not being a Te user. I thought it because of his argumentativeness but everything he says is very theorical. It could indicate Ti but I agree on it not being his strongest function as Ti likes simplicity and questioning anything, even it self. Then I fancied the idea of him both being an extrovert in B5 (sorry for bringing back that boring topic) and an introvert in MBTI with being a secondary Fe user (which helps with his charisma and his way with words) but having a dominant introvert function.

In functions, terciary Ti users with Ni dom or Si dom behave very much like Thinkers even if they are Feelers.

To be honest, while I could see a Si dom like you voted (and so I did here in the beginning), as they tend to become specialists on anything I had to go with Ni because of how abstract everything he says tend to be, which I guess could be just his Si using his knowledge of Jung (if Jung was an INFJ). So not sure about it. 

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2018-06-05 04:24:03pm (post #1035)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
oh and Ti and confidence aren't related, I think you're looking too much at the stereotype of INTPs being anxious dorks rather than what Ti is actually about

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2018-06-05 04:19:32pm (post #1034)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
and I'm not arguing in terms of stacks, I don't think he fits into any of them (Fe????), but I think that he "reduces a lot of things to their core principles" and looks at that more than facts which is Ti in functions

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2018-06-05 04:18:15pm (post #1033)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
"i think he is a tertiary or inferior ti user because he puts the social order above truth" woah there why dont you explain yourself on that one

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2018-06-05 04:14:23pm (post #1032)
diobono int 5w4 ili
Tbh It seems like He only appears to be a strong T- user in fact it seems youtube people are having  a field day dissecting his arguments ( which given is popularity is a given but still)  and when he stands up for debate against  people like  Dillahunty and Sam Harris who i assume are stronger thinking users he usually falters a little bit.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63dGW7UYwok.

Also i don't think he is a Te user because he uses  "made up" (such as as "newtonian" and "darwinian" which are not existing truth teories)  neologisms which is more of a Ti trait  while a Te user would probably put himself in line with the current backed up truth theories such as correspondence, etc etc.  

"I don't think that facts are necessarily true." doesn't scream Te to me. Or even strong Ti to be honest so i think he is a tertiary or inferior ti user because he puts the social order above truth, basically "truth serves life" . Now i have a hard time imagining an intp holding that position given they are basically truth seekers. 

.Anyway i have to admit this guy is definitely interesting as a person otherwise he wouldn't have so many comments. 

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2018-06-05 03:55:21pm (post #1031)
Blank
He seems too confident in what he knows to be a Ti dom (that is always trying to build a better model of understanding reality) but who knows.

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2018-06-05 03:11:28pm (post #1030)
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2018-06-05 02:21:53pm (post #1027)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
and if you would paste a function onto him it should be Ti, you can really see how he has to have everything make sense to him on a subjective level (especially on topics like religion and god), he doesn't show much of a preference for facts or organisation and I don't think having to dig through a book makes for a good argument

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2018-06-05 11:28:01am (post #1026)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
hahahah how many frail and timid kids do you need to see calling themselves dominant and assertive before you realise that trusting self-assessment over how you see someone interact is not a very good choice

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2018-06-05 11:19:41am (post #1025)
edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE
I like spending time on his Big 5 results because it's him answering questions about himself rather than trying to figure out stuff through a limited view from the outside.

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2018-06-05 09:40:44am (post #1023)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
sorry sweetie he scored a different result on a different, non-standard test from a different system try again

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2018-06-05 08:55:40am (post #1022)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
yeah then why not address how he's more of an MBTI extravert than introvert instead of spending so much time on his big 5 results

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2018-06-04 03:20:58pm (post #1015)
edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE
I guess it'd be best to see what's on his actual test but you have to pay for that. I'm mainly assuming, potentially incorrectly, that with his background in data and academia, that he'd not deviate too much from traditional Big 5 "extraversion" with his two facet model, regardless of the titles he gave to his facets.

Yes I don't think that assertiveness or activity are all that strongly linked to MBTI I/E and you could come up with examples of people who are assertive and active who seem clearly introverted (let's say Elon Musk). I'm just unconvinced that Peterson is one of those people. It'd help so much to see what is actually on the test though.

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2018-06-04 03:02:44pm (post #1014)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
I think you need to look more at what he actually scored on rather than his score in total

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2018-06-04 02:46:44pm (post #1012)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
im not downplaying it and not sure how his own model is set up but i dont see how either assertiveness or activity would have a strong link with either I/E in MBTI as opposed to other facets or just not being able to be incorporated into it, there's "active" or energetic and "inactive" E, I, P and J types alike with different traits and ways it could manifest itself and questions like "I'm always on the move" could apply to literally anyone regardless of whether they prefer people's company or not, introverts are often stereotyped as being lazy and shy but neither of those things (especially when you're dealing with MBTI introversion) are true

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2018-06-04 02:44:56pm (post #1011)
edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE
@blank while A/T isn't really much about shyness I agree that there'd be a correlation with that and social anxiety which would correlate with shyness. I just think it's important not to overestimate the correlation.

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2018-06-04 02:33:55pm (post #1009)
edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE
He's just on the agreeable side for men, which probably still puts him below the overall 50 percentile in agreeableness. And MBTI T vs F has a lot of things that fit him on the T side which aren't necessarily having to do with "agreeableness" except maybe by correlation, so I'd expect him to score considerably higher in agreeableness than in Feeling.

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2018-06-04 02:28:27pm (post #1007)
Blank
edza, Yes. I know you can just say you are an XSTP or whatever. I'm just arguing that if you are an introvert but confident you are more likely to consider the chance of actually being an extrovert and if you are a shy extrovert an introvert. I'm not against ambiversion, if anything I would love if we could type letters using it.

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2018-06-04 02:25:57pm (post #1005)
Blank
Well, how we see ourselves can be really different from how we really are. He maybe sees himself as nice, agreable, kind person while we see his argumentative side. For example, I  might see my self as cool smart detached confident James Bond alike. People most likely just see me as shy and ackward. Which one is correct? Who knows?

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2018-06-04 02:21:44pm (post #1003)
edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE
If you want to identify the people who would best be described as ambiverts and you want to look at one thing in 16p, you should just look at I/E and check for them lying in the middle. Turbulent/Assertive is sort of a misnomer; the questions seem more just like general Big 5 Neuroticism.

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2018-06-04 02:19:43pm (post #1002)
Blank
Oh, yes, I remember 16P had this thing on turbulent vs assertive.

This is a personal biased thought but could be that turbulent extroverts and assertive introverts are the ones that see themselves as ambiverts? Offtopic again...

I would need to see the test to know whether it was the whole thing that changed his results. It could be, depending how they made it. Tests tend to suck, anyway.

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2018-06-04 02:17:29pm (post #1001)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
one last thing is how would he be mistyped? he scored on the big 5 which again isn't MBTI and I've had mixed results myself but I wouldn't say I'm mistyped on either scale because the results from two systems that measure things differently are different

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2018-06-04 02:15:02pm (post #1000)
edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE
If I recall correctly Jordan Peterson's Big 5 model is only two-faceted, so I'd guess his "assertiveness" encapsulates a lot of "extraverted" traits that would even be very likely show up in an MBTI test. It's possible that he'd qualify as an introvert in MBTI but I think you're downplaying the link between the two, especially when he got pretty severe results.
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2018-06-04 02:13:08pm (post #999)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
oh and people type him INFJ by functions because of "Ni" and "Ti" while ignoring Fe and that a tertiary position for Ti is pretty fucking low especially for him 

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2018-06-04 02:09:47pm (post #998)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
assertiveness is more related to T in MBTI or something that would be polled on 16P rather than an actual part of it too, there are assertive introverts and extraverts alike, it doesn't say much about whether you like being around people or not which is what I/E comes down to

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2018-06-04 02:06:27pm (post #996)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
I already said they have similar definitions, but assertiveness alone is dominance in social settings rather than being shy and reserved and he scored high on that alone 

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2018-06-04 02:04:32pm (post #995)
Blank
In Idrlabs (as the link says they type him as an INFJ). This site uses Idr for functions.

This has gone very off topic. Please, all come back to argue about Peterson.

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2018-06-04 01:47:40pm (post #993)
edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE
"Ni-dom" in what? Certainly not Jung's own system where he built his "introverted thinking type" a lot around himself, and actually saw himself as T-S at first. That's even in your link though. He made specific reference to his weak, inferior Feeling even.

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2018-06-04 12:57:21pm (post #991)
Blank
https://www.idrlabs.com/articles/2012/02/jung-identified-himself-as-both-intp-and-istp/amp/

It is more of an interpretation than he saying he was four letters though.

I forgot here it is mostly about letter typing. For you people, Jung might be INTP, from functions perspective he was a Ni dom. I prefer function.

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2018-06-04 12:21:11pm (post #990)
edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE
Using fiction as an argument isn't generally a good idea. Carl Jung never "believed himself to be INTP", and nor would he be F in MBTI although that's got more of an opinion to it.

I guess it first helps by laying down the groundwork of what you actually mean when you say "INTP" or "INFJ" or whatever, because whatever it is probably isn't something in line with Jung or MBTI.

 

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2018-06-04 12:11:48pm (post #988)
Blank
*Funny enough here Jung is voted to be an INTP (which makes no sense to me)

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2018-06-04 12:00:51pm (post #987)
Blank
MBTI statements on extraversion (oficial site: https://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/extraversion-or-introversion.htm

I am seen as "outgoing" or as a "people person."
I feel comfortable in groups and like working in them.
I have a wide range of friends and know lots of people.
I sometimes jump too quickly into an activity and don't allow enough time to think it over.
Before I start a project, I sometimes forget to stop and get clear on what I want to do and why.

Extraversion on Big5 (Teru's source)

Warmth: make friends easily
Gregariousness: love large parties
Assertiveness: take charge
Activity level: always busy
Excitement: love excitement
Positive Emotions Cheerfulness radiate joy

So people can compare.

While I don't see Jordan as an extrovert at all I see both types of extroversion really similar.

My takeaway on this is that both in MBTI and Big 5 is about a preference on more interactions (being with more people, and taking more action) instead of prefering one on one interactions (with either people or activities).

So if he really is high extroverted in Big 5 I can see how it would translate to high extroversion in MBTI almost 100%. Unless it was a test that scored more highly being active than being social or something like that.

My guess? He was just misstyped. As smart as he might be and as professional the test might have been it is still a damn test that would be nice to have access with his answers. But that's probably not going to happen. And if anyone believes it is imposible he misstyped him self... Well, Carl Jung was (probably) an INFJ and he believed himself to be an INTP. Even the best can misstype themselves.

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2018-06-04 11:51:19am (post #986)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
to repeat myself again in the big 5 there are 6 facets of extraversion, he only fits into 2 of them (assertiveness and activity) and they barely have to do with MBTI extraversion, it just doesn't translate directly into MBTI so it's not much of an argument

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2018-06-04 08:12:08am (post #983)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
on peterson not teenage intellect dickhead

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2018-06-04 05:58:33am (post #982)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
You were debating me? o_0

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2018-06-04 05:29:51am (post #981)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
not everything has to be turned into a constructive debate oh my fucking god those asmr toe sucking videos really fried your brain didnt they

1
2018-06-04 05:26:14am (post #980)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
Teenagers tend to be dumb, not all, but you're not helping your case.

0
2018-06-04 05:21:33am (post #979)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
yeah dumb teenagers AM I RIGHT GUYS UP TOP

 

shut the fuck up

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2018-06-04 05:11:38am (post #978)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
By the looks of it where you live they don't teach proper grammar so I think that's irrelevant. Close but no cigar, that's a very wise decision.

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2018-06-04 05:08:41am (post #977)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
wow im sorry old man but where i live im allowed to drink and im turning 18 in 3 months let's continue talking when my brain's grown enough for me to understand your abolsutely superior intellect

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2018-06-04 05:05:03am (post #976)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
Being a teenager is already a lot like being drunk. Ask yourself, why aren't you allowed to do these things?

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2018-06-04 04:58:59am (post #975)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
HAHAHAH you gonna tell me you're smarter than me because of your "more developed brain" that's a few years older again big man, you were pissing yourself when i was born

0
2018-06-04 04:55:41am (post #974)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
This is why we don't let 16 year olds drink, join the military, or vote

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2018-06-04 04:52:03am (post #973)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
you guys collectively type doctor fucking house as I who would arguably score 99th on assertiveness as well, and for a doctor analogy this is like diagnosing someone with lung cancer because they have a prolonged cough and other patients with lung cancer have a prolonged cough rather than checking for a tumour

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2018-06-04 04:42:06am (post #972)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
don't any of you get how polling extraversion based on how much you want to take charge of social situations as opposed to how sociable and outgoing you are will lend you different results, so many of this reads "yeah but he might possibly score over 50%" because big 5 and mbti extraversion are DEFINED the same but no one's addressing how they're measured

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2018-06-04 04:39:29am (post #971)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
So it's settled, Jordan Peterson is an extrovert

 

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2018-06-04 04:05:23am (post #970)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
did none of you read a single thing I said

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2018-06-04 04:03:27am (post #969)
Blank
I agree with Diobono on extraversión being pretty much the same thing in letters and Big 5.

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2018-06-04 03:45:29am (post #968)
Diobono int 5w4 ili
@strawberry that's what i'm saying in that mbti extraversion traits and big 5 extraversion traits are very similar so someone who tests 99th percentile on extraversion scale in big 5 wouldn't test as an introvert in mbti.

The descriptions of being 'inwardly focused' or 'outwardly focused ' derive from jungs 'neutral' approach to introversion and extraversion but still on the ACTUAL test questions mbti and especially big 5 extroversion aspects take a positive connotation such as sociability or in big 5 even the ability to experience.positive emotion.

(On a sidenote the extrovert bias is so strong it hurts that's why i am not a big fan of the approach because being an introvert it basically means being a fucking loser lol.But thats a topic.for.another day)

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2018-06-04 01:49:14am (post #967)
edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE
If your argument is that he's "INTJ" in some sort of "Jung" system I'm not exactly sure what that means because Jung didn't do MBTI.

It should be pretty clear that at the very least he's not Jung's "Ni" (Introverted Intuitive) type, and would fit much better under either Thinking type.

This isn't something that can be represented with a type code in MBTI. At best you could try to represent it in Socionics because there's no specific Jung column.

I think he looks for facts and argumentations to support a cause more than the other way around I think, which would be more like using "5-ness" as a tool for 1 motivations. Also where is the 4 wing? I would imagine that he'd have 5w6 in tritype.

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2018-06-04 01:06:17am (post #966)
Blank
This is the beauty of mbti. Blind people arguing about the appearance of someone using descriptions of a dead man based on voice tones. Maybe all this is a lie, maybe people are able to be one different type each moment. Maybe personality is an illusion, developed for our need to seek patterns and find comfort in the known while in reality everyone is just a nebolous stream of changes that we give form by boxing them with our interpretations.

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2018-06-03 08:34:29pm (post #963)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
thanks mom i appreciate it

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2018-06-03 03:55:47pm (post #959)
strawberry crisis enfp 7
“Outwardly focused” doesn’t quite imply extraversion in MBTI outside of just summarizing the general direction the preference moves toward. Taking that term for what it seems to be implies a lot that so many introverts would be able to identify with; it’s more a concept you’ll see more literally translated in Jungian literature and function-related terminology. Extraversion in MBTI is centered around a lot of various factors that can be described as “outward” as opposed to “inward” but it has a lot to do with what people don’t like associating extraversion with: having a social orientation, being people-oriented, spending time around others and preferring action over contemplation. I don’t know enough about Jordan Peterson to be able to categorize him, but Teru certainly doesn’t have a poor understanding of how MBTI is tested for.

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2018-06-03 03:39:54pm (post #958)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
www.myersbriggs.org first line

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2018-06-03 03:38:31pm (post #957)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
No, reflecting alone is not I. Aren't you debating with me right now? Ik you're not saying he's a P, why don't you try listening? He's too outwardly focused to be an introvert and lectures are not conversations. If you don't want to be accused of straw-men then don't do it. I know what I said, you saying I said things that I didn't say is a straw-man. Drop the ego tough guy. I think you're too emotional and childish to have a conversation with. You don't want to learn anything. You can not care all you want but I'm still right. Also not caring about what I say is more your problem than it is mine.

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2018-06-03 03:09:30pm (post #956)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
"having thoughts" isn't I, reflecting on things and preferring your own analysis over debating with others is (already said this), I'm not saying he's a P, I'm saying his personal, subjective and indirect rants imply I, not the act of ranting itself (also already said this), accusing people of straw-manning is a straw-man (told this to someone somewhere and if you're him i still think you're a loser plus I've consciously tried to be objective and non-dismissive and explained everything I think in clear detail) and if you're gonna continue giving untrue and overly simple statements and going "yeah but that's not what I'm saying" whenever I interpret them that way go ahead and talk to yourself some more bc I've given every argument I can think of and no one cares what you're saying

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2018-06-03 02:59:57pm (post #955)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
Why so defensive? You keep making up straw-men and are dismissive whenever I disagree with you. ENxx and Ne actually are the same thing. ENxJ types are extraverts. INxP types are introverts. They're not high energy or very spontaneous. I'm just correcting you. Yes it's more P but neither of us are arguing he's a P. Your test scores don't prove anything. Most people type you as an Extrovert 5 or an Introvert 7. So really you're probably an ambivert. It's a lecture, it's not meant to be very interactive. You're trying to attribute having thoughts to introversion. He's E in both systems. You're saying he's polite cause he wants to be respected. That's agreeableness still. Disagreeable people wouldn't care enough to be respectful. You said he only scored high on extraversion because of assertiveness, so i corrected you. You couldn't say anything so you changed the argument. "Well uh, it's not the same thing in mbti as it is in big 5"

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2018-06-03 02:23:02pm (post #952)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
also I don't like functions but Ne and ENxx aren't the same lmfao

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2018-06-03 02:14:12pm (post #951)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
what are you even twisting this into lmao, the conversation's about peterson not the definition of rambling (which you, an introvert are doing and summed up is disoriented inconsequential thought which is extremely P and anti-J and you're giving me a fucking headache), big 5 extraversion and MBTI I/E aren't the same thing and the only arguments I can give for that are ones that I already gave or a personal one aka the fact that I score 80+% extraversion in big 5 and 70% introversion in MBTI, in unplanned conversation he simply goes through his own thoughts and is focused on arriving at a personal conclusion without really caring about interacting with the other person and I didn't say a thing about agreeableness, just that politeness is a shit argument since it's dependent on the motivations behind it rather than the simple act of doing it

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2018-06-03 02:12:34pm (post #950)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
Rambling is more of an E trait. That's why extraverts ramble more than INxPs. Even ESxx types. If you're talking about Ne than I'd say ENxx types are more Ne than xNxP types. Since Ne is just that Extraverted intuition ENxx. Yes there is, he's saying assertiveness is the primary reason he scores E but he still scores high in it. It's one facet. If he was weak in all the others but strong in just 1 than he should be scoring as an introvert still, by a long shot. How does one have a conversation without engaging their mind? He presents himself as more E because he is and he's had plenty of conversations. He's not highly disagreeable, he scored moderate in it. I would say politeness has to do with agreeableness. Conceptual is more having to do with intuition than introversion. 

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2018-06-03 01:45:46pm (post #948)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
the only times you see him interact with people are in organized debates or when his students or viewers ask him questions and even then he has a lot more introverted traits, other than that he's not people-oriented and you don't see him seek out interaction in areas where it doesn't benefit him or actually being "outgoing" at all

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2018-06-03 01:39:03pm (post #947)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
it is implying the rest would be low since there's no other reason to say it, he deals with the conceptual and subjective more than external reality and the time he spends "outside" is spent verbally analyzing his own thoughts and opinions either through lectures or livestreams which isn't E since there's not much "interaction" going on, not having a point and rambling is NP rather than EN and his "politeness" seems to stem more from a desire to be respected rather than preference for harmony or not offending anyone, it's not much of an argument in the first place

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2018-06-03 01:35:10pm (post #946)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
That's not implying the rest would be low. Regardless he scored high on extraversion asnd assertiveness is only one facet of it so that doesn't work. He spends more time outside and he's much more polite than most thinkers. Joe Rogan talks about intellectual topics and whatnot too. I wouldn't classify him as an introvert. Him not having a point and rambling is E and N more than anything else.

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2018-06-03 01:25:13pm (post #945)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
he's not "gregarious, friendly or warm" either, his first impulse is evaluating what he thinks of a topic and breaking it down rather than dealing with people in a harmonious and comforting way, and he said that a lot of the extraversion score is assertiveness subdivided implying the rest would be pretty low, i already talked about this below

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2018-06-03 01:15:38pm (post #944)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
I'm not saying only introverts do, I/E is a spectrum, but if you spend more time "interacting with the world" than reflecting on things you fall more towards E than I and he doesn't, also the main criticism he gets is that he goes off on ungrounded irrelevant tangents without ever making a point, facts are pretty far away on his priority list

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2018-06-03 01:13:34pm (post #943)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
Still not what I'm saying, nowhere did I say that he has to zone-out to be an introvert. I don't think subjective associations and having thoughts of your own is proof of introversion, everyone does. I also don't think the facts that he learned are proof of extraversion. He's too gregarious, friendly, etc to be an introvert. Also he scored high on extraversion in big 5 like I said.

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2018-06-03 01:03:36pm (post #942)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
the only sources out there are interviews and lectures, wouldn't be very cool if he zoned out every question he's asked, besides all he talks about are his own associations and what he thinks about things, the "internal world" thing means subjective thought and reflection/categorization, not living a fantasy life

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2018-06-03 12:57:57pm (post #941)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
Yes it does, it's a preference for the outside world over your own internal world since that's where you're spending more time.

0
2018-06-03 12:50:15pm (post #939)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
"talking too much" doesn't make you an extrovert big man

0
2018-06-03 12:47:20pm (post #938)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
It's not like I type all teachers as extraverts. You're arguing against a straw-man friendo

0
2018-06-03 12:46:10pm (post #937)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
yeah why would an introvert talk at his own lectures 

0
2018-06-03 12:44:43pm (post #936)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
Idk if F or T, he's logical but that doesn't mean T necessarily

0
2018-06-03 12:44:37pm (post #935)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
no, he talks to much to be an introvert anyways, too engaged

 

0
2018-06-03 12:42:21pm (post #934)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
r u blind

0
2018-06-03 12:40:08pm (post #933)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
He scores as an extravert on big 5

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2018-06-03 12:37:42pm (post #931)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
if you wanna draw a link then scoring 99th percentile on assertiveness would make him more T than anything else

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2018-06-03 12:32:57pm (post #930)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
clinging to numbers when you're dealing with people is stupid, if extraversion was only measured in gregariousness and assertiveness scoring 20 on the first and 100 on the latter would average you at 60 even though you're not outgoing or group-oriented in the least, extroversion and I/E are measured differently and in MBTI terms he's an introvert

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2018-06-03 12:30:43pm (post #929)
diobono int 5w4 ili
He could fit the jungian definition of an introvert in fact by functions i've voted him as an introvert. But i said that seeing how similar the i/e aspect is in big 5 and  how he scored 99th percentile on big 5  he would score as an extrovert on mbti. 

Yeah maybe he is not clear cut but alot of extroverts in general aren't since most people are ambiverts. Alot of extj and enxp can come off as introverts.

 

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2018-06-03 10:26:49am (post #928)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
from the same site:

 

Introversion (I)

I like getting my energy from dealing with the ideas, pictures, memories, and reactions that are inside my head, in my inner world. I often prefer doing things alone or with one or two people I feel comfortable with. I take time to reflect so that I have a clear idea of what I'll be doing when I decide to act. Ideas are almost solid things for me. Sometimes I like the idea of something better than the real thing.

 

He fits into nearly all of this

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2018-06-03 08:46:11am (post #925)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
"pretty high in extroversion but a lot of that's assertiveness when you subdivide it", these are his words, stop making it sound like he's such a clear-cut extrovert when on the same scale he'd score pretty fucking low on gregariousness, excitement-seeking, positive emotions and warmth (yay Fe he's such a friendly person!!!)

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2018-06-03 08:44:22am (post #924)
diobono int 5w4 ili
Last one on this dude. According to a financial times article on him he scored in the  99TH PERCENTILE  on Assertiveness.The big 5 e/i items and the mbti i/e items are really similar because there is actually a consensus on what introversion and extraversion is  so i really doubt  he would score I on a mbti test if he was 99th percentile in big 5.

 

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2018-06-03 07:19:46am (post #923)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
Also solely interpreting his big 5 results might give you ENJ but I think when he said he scored high on extraversion but that "a lot of that's assertiveness" he might've been implying that he sees himself as an introvert, and I think that when you go by "internal world" vs "external reality" he seems a lot more like the former

0
2018-05-30 05:24:10am (post #857)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
yeah fuck that Jung guy what an idiot

0
2018-05-30 05:22:02am (post #856)
strawberry crisis enfp 7
I don’t see the point in meshing MBTI with a plethora of different typing styles that conveniently like to call themselves “MBTI,” too. If you want to vote for a function type (which ironically are decided upon using a different set of dichotomies), I do ask that you use the IDR column to vote by checking “function vote” before voting an MBTI type.

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2018-05-30 04:35:39am (post #855)
Diobono int 5w4 ili
If you think using big 5 models and using retarded and inconsistentnt  jungian mysticism is necessarily intuitive and a thinker trait than go ahead. I typed basically by functions but i guess its not a cool thing to do on this website. He literally fits the si fe and all descriptions of inferior Ne. MUH POSTMODERNISM BOOGA WOOGA. This fucking website and pure dichotomy mbti i swear. Switch to big 5 while yoy are at it.

 

If you were to type him by letters and by dchotomy he would be enxj anyway.  High extraversion, high agreeableness, high coscientiousness and openmindedness. There you have its enxj. I tried to give a function interpretation.

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2018-05-30 04:19:26am (post #853)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
From http://www.myersbriggs.org

The following statements generally apply to me:

I remember events by what I read "between the lines" about their meaning.

I solve problems by leaping between different ideas and possibilities.

I am interested in doing things that are new and different.

I like to see the big picture, then to find out the facts.

I trust impressions, symbols, and metaphors more than what I actually experienced

Sometimes I think so much about new possibilities that I never look at how to make them a reality.

This is his basically his entire career but he makes 50k a month that's very pragmatic he must be an S

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2018-05-29 05:53:16pm (post #840)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
Social conservatism isn't about preserving harmony, when you don't keep natural social hierarchies you get an entire generation of fatherless losers who look for an internet dad to support them (or bash viciously depending on their childhood), and the libtard thing was a joke ya big fucking dummy, there's nothing "Fe" about him

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2018-05-29 05:51:17pm (post #839)
diobono int 5w4 ili
Social conservativism is literally about preserving harmony tradition and the status quo.Don't see why he couldn't be Fe. On the big 5 test he also said he was high on Agreeableness. Maybe my reading of conservative and reactionary =isfj is excessive but it fits the si-fe like a glove and just because he rants on and on about Jungian mysticism pseudo deep bullshit doesn't make him N to me . still stand by ixfj.

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2018-05-29 04:54:31pm (post #836)
diobono int 5w4 ili
Lol so he's a librul now? In what sense of the world. The belief that natural social hierarchies are legitimate and should be kept that way is just reactionary and retrograde but if i say that i guess i am an sjw butthurt tumblrina am i right. When i watch his video all i see is one point of view shoved down my mouth all the  time. Different perspectives my ass.

He is literally a fucking ideologue.  His position is oh so brave can't believe he is standing up against the status quo and getting denied his free speech while getting paid 50k on patreon and keeps popping up every fucking time on youtube and makes my blood boil wow  truly a revolutionary.

 

 

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2018-05-29 04:44:45pm (post #835)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
Also while I don't deny he'd score pretty high on 1 he's almost literally stated his intellectual pursuits and interests are what made up most of his life but TAKE THIS LIBTARDS IM SMARTER THAN UR INTERNET DAD THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HIS TYPE

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2018-05-28 05:06:23pm (post #815)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
Ah yes auxiliary Fe aka being concerned with preserving harmony in your environment and the people around you and tending to their needs that's definitely him, he's also 100% a sensor it's not like every word that comes out of his mouth revolves around measuring different points of view against each other, that's ridiculous

2
2018-05-28 05:05:32pm (post #814)
Blank
Hello Jordan my old friend...

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2018-05-28 03:33:46pm (post #811)
diobono int 5w4 ili
So Lobsters have serotonin and have dominance heriarchies, and so man have the same are just the same? What if i make an example of a matriarchal based society in nature? What if i take any other animal analogy where animals cooperate together in harmony  and make a point for communism instead  or something. Too ideologically driven to be a 5. Probably a 6 or 1. Also i think ixfj over tj because his tertiary ti shows through alot in debates and stuff. Like in the Dillahaunty interview. He is a great manipulator though.

 Biological Essentialism is retarded and used to justify his hyperconservative ideology. Can't believe people like this guy and think he isn't biased as shit.

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2018-05-28 03:15:26pm (post #809)
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