Izuku Midoriya ~ MBTI, Enneagram, and Socionics Personality Type

Izuku Midoriya

Boku no Hero Academia

function

ennea

variant

socio

psycho

INFJ 6

INFP 1

INTP 1

6w5 6

9w1 1

so/sp 5

EII 7

IEI 1

ELFV 1

public myers-briggs votes

(20/10/20 11:58) escapism: ISFJ

(19/01/15 02:29) tman: INFJ

(19/01/09 15:40) KARURA: INFJ

(18/10/28 14:59) ForestSketcher: INFJ

(18/08/18 02:41) kawaii: INFJ

(18/08/17 18:19) fiddlediddle: INFP

(18/05/13 07:19) Teru Mikami: INFJ

public function votes

(19/09/22 22:44) Lol: INFJ

(19/05/31 20:41) Robosheep: INTP

(19/01/15 02:30) tman: INFJ

(18/09/14 09:23) Teru Mikami: INFJ

(18/08/18 02:41) kawaii: INFJ

(18/08/17 19:00) fiddlediddle: INFP

(18/05/13 04:57) fg: INFJ

public enneagram votes

(20/10/20 11:58) escapism: 6w5

(19/09/22 22:44) Lol: 6w5

(19/01/15 02:30) tman: 6w5

(18/09/14 09:23) Teru Mikami: 6w5

(18/07/06 08:54) wecanbeliketheyare: 6w5

(18/05/13 04:58) fg: 6w5

public instinctual variant votes

(20/10/20 11:58) escapism: so/sp

(19/06/19 00:57) tman: so/sp

(18/07/06 08:54) wecanbeliketheyare: so/sp

(18/05/13 04:58) fg: so/sp

public tritype® votes

(20/10/20 11:58) escapism: 692

(19/06/19 00:57) tman: 693

(18/09/14 09:24) Teru Mikami: 692

public sociotype votes

(20/10/20 11:58) escapism: EII

(19/10/26 14:22) Tman: EII

(19/09/22 22:44) Lol: EII

(18/09/14 09:23) Teru Mikami: EII

(18/08/24 21:18) fiddlediddle: IEI

(18/08/18 02:41) kawaii: EII

(18/07/15 07:53) fg: EII

public psychosophy votes

(19/10/26 14:23) Tman: ELFV

public hexaco votes

Sirius

Ni: Izuku has a firm grasp on his goals. Unlike Ne (which is concerned woth seeking possibilities and making connections), he is concerned with seeing how his goals can impact the very environment that he's in. He tends to have problems changing his perspectives because of this, which causes the problems as of why he idolizes All Might and Bakugo so much; he doesn't see them as mere idols, but goalposts of which he strives to reach. He also is good at reading outside the box such as when he deduces a villian's plan in chapter 175 (Ni is good at discerning patterns from symbolic devices like language and such).

Fe: Izuku is has a very firm grasp on the social setting around him and is very empathetic towards others. Unlike introverted feeling, which is considered with self-decelopment and a sense of identity, he is more concerned with (not just with helping people), but with understanding them based on hias interactions in the social environment. An example would be in Season 3 when he talks to Kota; he was able to understand that his hatred for heroes is because of his hatred of hero society and quirks in general, and was capable of producing his own kind of understanding of Kota's feelings based on this interaction (Ni-Fe-Ti loop).

Ti: Izuku has a knack for creating frameworks based on the knowledge that he has accumulated from various sources. He has written a journal depicting heroes and their quirks based on his fascination on how they work, constantly mumbles to himself as a means of internalizing his logic, and also sometimes tends ask "What if?" questions due to his tendencies to focus on his internal frameworks (i.e. After his plan to escape the villains on a ship in Season 1, he constantly mumbled to himself due to his tendency to analyze everything). He even demonstrates Ti as of when he has no problems going after Bakugo even after Tsu had stated that it violates the rules (Te users have a prefernce for organizational systems and operations, whereas Ti users are less inclined toward standardized methods and procedures.)

Infererior-Se: Midoriya tends to have problems with overstimulating his senses. An example would be in his fight against Todoroki; Aizawa states that "he was so full of adrenaline" that he blocked out the pain that he recieved from constantly breaking his fingers. He even further depicts a case of inferior Se in his second fight against Bakugo, as ge states that his desire to win surpasses his desire to save someone; this not only shows a lack of Si (Which is concerned with being in tuned with one's inner body sensations), but also a lack of Fi, seeing as how Fi users have a strong desire to want to help others that are in need.

INFJ. Case closed.

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2019-03-03 06:08:47pm (post #5512)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

so by turning them away I did win

your point?

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2018-08-23 09:14:59pm (post #2987)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

you know that's used when you win not when you've turned the only people who don't write you off as retarded away by acting like a snide diva 3 days down her period

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2018-08-23 07:57:11pm (post #2986)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

lol nothing personnel kid

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2018-08-23 07:23:15pm (post #2985)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

no one cares

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2018-08-23 07:11:59pm (post #2984)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

hey i know i spent like 50 paragraphs gaslighting and annoying you but why you so angry bro

yeah why

functions don't mimic functions

wtf this mean

you pride yourself on being so passive aggressive and thick in the head no one wants to talk to you, you're such a fucking loser

Not my problem that the only people I ever had extended arguments with being you, fg, and Chaotic (on the old site) are all shitty typists. Granted, I'll pardon fg for being a francophone so extended quarells in English is going to his real downfall - but not you or Chaotic. Can't argue? Don't blame me. Stop trying to prove me wrong. You can't prove fiddlediddle wrong just because fiddlediddle curbstomped your feels - but you can prove my arguments to be inconsistent and invalid but even that you can't really do.

get your hand outta your smartie pants

You get your hand out of my pants.

get the fuck back to PerC

At least PerC has a well abundance of skilled typists.

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2018-08-23 07:07:44pm (post #2983)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

hey i know i spent like 50 paragraphs gaslighting and annoying you but why you so angry bro

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2018-08-23 06:05:10pm (post #2982)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

lol y so angery

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2018-08-23 04:12:34pm (post #2980)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

as a reminder, functions don't mimic functions, everything you assume about people is wrong, I never said "Izuku is Fi" because if you'd learn to read you'd see they're both individual parts of a sentence and you pride yourself on being so passive aggressive and thick in the head no one wants to talk to you, you're such a fucking loser

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2018-08-23 06:08:03am (post #2968)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

you find a way to rationalize everything as long as it means some fucking dork isn't your type, get your hand outta your smartie pants or get the fuck back to PerC

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2018-08-23 06:04:20am (post #2967)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

how about you reply to all three of the times I said "he focuses on a personal ideal to the benefit of others as opposed to focusing on acting in accordance to his own values"

I did. Many times.

"It's true Izuku and All Might both want to be the same kind of hero with the same kind of sense of ethics but the important distinction is how they appraoch it and what motivates the; Izuku believes in the Fe humanitarianism of All Might - but that doesn't make him an Fe type."

Midoriya believes in helping people like All Might and even shares his beliefs, but that doesn't necessarily making him an Fe type. Pretty much the antithesis to your comment right there.

" Izuku wanted to be a hero as an ambition for himself. He wanted to save people because they would look up to him as a hero. You could see it in his childhood on his desire to be a hero (a sentiment he carries on into the present) and not so much a recognition for the necessity of altruism (like All Might or any real Fe type would do). He never saw something about society that he wanted to fix by becoming a hero. Midoriya, you could say, wanted to be a hero to act out his values of goodness. He is good simply because he must be. He doesn't have any Ti rationalization for his actions at all and any legitimate thought into the ethical aspects of heroism comes largely after adopting All Might's Fe philosophy - even that is just mostly throwing around All Might's many sayings."

Pretty much demonstrates Izuku's motivations and desires and said desires for heroism resemble how an Fi type might appraoch humanitarianism. At the least, Midoriya doesn't demonstrate Fe-Ti.

"Yes, both All Might and Izuku were young (All Might was a little older but he was still a highschool student I would assume to be not much older than Midoriya is currently) when they confessed their desire for heroism but whereas we can observe All Might's Fe-Ti wariness and justification for ethical action we don't see as much (if at all) from Midoriya. That's the fundamental difference between All Might's Fe-Ti heroism and Midoriya's Fi-Te heroism. It's very much from a his emotional desire to do good. Unlike All Might, there isn't much a vision of what he wants done (Fe/Ni/Se) but simply that he feels he must do it."

Clear contrast between All Might's Fe-Ti heroism and Midoriya's Fi-Te heroism. Midoriya is not an INFJ for the simple fact of not demonstrating Fe-Ti, and as I've explained in eariler posts, for not showing Ni-Se either.

"Altruism/humanitarianism/heroism for the people is not exclusively Fe."

Something you're having a hard time understanding.

Midoriya is altruistic because it aligns with his internal altruistic values. Fi.

without misrepresenting my words

"He places his values outside of himself and pays a lot more attention to what others want than what he thinks is right according to values that come from within."

whaaaaaaaaa~? But you said here he has Fi as well.

and this time focus on function definitions rather than function relations or traits that have never even been described!!

How about you try to understand how a functions might manifest in action instead of playing "match-the-word". "Oh, these sets of words don't want the sets of words I had in my head, hurrr durrr, I don't what it means anymore."

you talk a lot but there's not much to it is there chief

That's because you never actually read anything I have to say.The moment I try to make a reasonable sound (and long) response to an argument you make, you nutt in your pants at the mere sight of daddy fiddlediddle not agreeing with you. So you stumble around and essentially repeat the same arguements you've been making within the last few posts without actually trying to disect my arguements, which, when you do, sound half-assed and incomprehensible. Add to that you'll make it needlessly long just to make sure you don't feel ashamed that fiddlediddle might think your dick happens to seem smaller.

No need for the dick slinging contest. I make my responses seem longer just to make it more organized. So there, I've laid out your problems. Chief.

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2018-08-22 08:26:14pm (post #2965)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

Hey I know you like writing these really long ungrounded replies to distract from the core arguments I'm making, how about you reply to all three of the times I said "he focuses on a personal ideal to the benefit of others as opposed to focusing on acting in accordance to his own values" without misrepresenting my words (and this time focus on function definitions rather than function relations or traits that have never even been described!!), you talk a lot but there's not much to it is there chief

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2018-08-22 07:08:56pm (post #2963)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

Oh jeez.

psychologists can't draw a conclusion on

Let's throw out decades worth of wisdom and knowledge about child rearing out the window because psychologists "can't agree with one another". Whatever that means. lol

You handpick childhood traits and decide on motivations he supposedly had 10 years before the events

Midoriya still had practically the same sentiments by present time in the series. I've said this few times in my response (not quite clearly to be honest. I didn't hand pick them either. They were specifically put there by the author (and anime director) to show what beliefs and desires All Might and Midoriya had how that developed them to who they were in the present. I'm not picking out random nonsense to prove a point. They're clear points of characterization and show why they wanted to become heroes - which also shows the difference in function stacks.

You say things like "He wants to save people because they would look up to him as a hero" which wasn't just never said in the show

Ah fuck, "wasn't just never said in the show". I'm dealing with a filthy sensor scrub, "What you see is what you get". Nevertheless, it would be apparent to you if you understood basic elements of storytelling - especially the ones that wants to show you things instead of telling you what it is outright. Not everything is going to be revealed by dialogue alone; circumstances and consequences can also reveal character traits (or various other story elements). MHA isn't a deep story with gound breaking narriative structures so I don't know why it flew over your head.

Why don't you compare high school Midoriya to high school All Might instead?

I did. "He doesn't have any Ti rationalization for his actions at all and any legitimate thought into the ethical aspects of heroism comes largely after adopting All Might's Fe philosophy - even that is just mostly throwing around All Might's many sayings."

He didn't "adopt All Might's philosophy", he just looks up to him.

Which is precisely why he did adopt his philosophy.

He tries to act like his idol acts because he doesn't trust himself.

INFPs do tend to lack self confidence compared to INFJs and ENFJs.

In the present he is totally different from how you describe him to be.

Taking responsibility does not make Midoriya an Fe type. INFPs can develop to be healthy and responsible individuals as well. Especially once they learn to devleop Te (Midoriya has already shown almost prodigal prowess with Ne and Te in combat anyways.)

He looks up to All Might not because he's a hero but because he saved people.

Again. "Then why was there so much of Midoriya's passion focused into the fact that All Might is hero? And not that he is a admirable for his ethical actions?" Pay attention to how Midoriya is depicted throughout MHA.

He places his values outside of himself and pays a lot more attention to what others want than what he thinks is right according to values that come from within.

Boom. Fi. His desires for altruism comes from his personal emotional desires within - as is common with Fi types. I even got you to say it if you don't outright agree with it.

both feelers do what they feel they should do

Correction. All Might does he thinks he should do. Midoriya does what he feels he should do. Fi vs Fe-Ti.

and a strong Judging preference, he is definitely not a P type

Kind of irrelevant since J/P dichotomy in letter MBTI is nonsensical.

Having to use your interpretation of his childhood and moving away from function definitions by bringing up ways he should act according to nothing but how things make sense in your head is trait-based typing and really nothing more than mental gymnastics.

lol

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2018-08-22 06:41:07pm (post #2962)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

The problem with this analysis arises again in that it's almost entirely supported by his childhood, hidden motivations, function positions and relations or theorizing about a topic even psychologists can't draw a conclusion on.

You handpick childhood traits and decide on motivations he supposedly had 10 years before the events of the show that are never even made clear and use the "he just adopted All Might's philosophy" excuse when he shows preferences in the opposite direction at a mature, typable age. When you say he doesn't show the proper motivations or thoughts he should have (functions are not motivations) when he's young you're comparing infant Midoriya to high school All Might. You say things like "He wants to save people because they would look up to him as a hero" which wasn't just never said in the show (or even slightly related to functions) but is also the opposite of what he wants. He's so selfless and humble in his approach he couldn't care less about acclaim. He didn't "adopt All Might's philosophy", he just looks up to him. He tries to act like his idol acts because he doesn't trust himself. That's not a function trait, it's a trait of an insecure person, and it doesn't mean that he can't actually hold those preferences. Why don't you compare high school Midoriya to high school All Might instead?

You can't keep rationalizing his behavior because of something that got 5 minutes of screentime and isn't even true. He looks up to All Might not because he's a hero but because he saved people. There was never an emphasis on that like you claim either, the emphasis and what Midoriya admired was on how he saved people while remaining so positive, thus on his ethical behavior. In the present he is totally different from how you describe him to be. That's not a "surface level linguistic analysis" because I'm willing to see past the minor details people get stuck on to flip and turn things to their liking. He places his values outside of himself and pays a lot more attention to what others want than what he thinks is right according to values that come from within. He focuses on his goal of "becoming a hero" even without a quirk and is willing to train hard every single day in order to become the hero he wants to be (before even inheriting one for all) so he can save people like his role model does. Remember, both feelers do what they feel they should do, but he's all about acting for the greater good of others, not acting in harmony with his own values. All of this points to introverted intuition and extraverted feeling preferences (and a strong Judging preference, he is definitely not a P type). Having to use your interpretation of his childhood and moving away from function definitions by bringing up ways he should act according to nothing but how things make sense in your head is trait-based typing and really nothing more than mental gymnastics.

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2018-08-22 08:50:40am (post #2953)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

As a child he dressed up as all might, forced his mom to make him watch videos of him saving people, had posters all over his room way before he got the bad news. He would often talk about when he would become a hero, and those dreams got crushed, that was a key part in his development.

That's precisely what I meant by Izuku's early desire of heroism being different from All Might's. It's true Izuku and All Might both want to be the same kind of hero with the same kind of sense of ethics but the important distinction is how they appraoch it and what motivates the; Izuku believes in the Fe humanitarianism of All Might - but that doesn't make him an Fe type.

That's where you're making the mistake.

Izuku's desire for heroism is clearly personnally motivated no matter how you cut it. Izuku wanted to be a hero as an ambition for himself. He wanted to save people because they would look up to him as a hero. You could see it in his childhood on his desire to be a hero (a sentiment he carries on into the present) and not so much a recognition for the necessity of altruism (like All Might or any real Fe type would do). He never saw something about society that he wanted to fix by becoming a hero. Midoriya, you could say, wanted to be a hero to act out his values of goodness. He is good simply because he must be. He doesn't have any Ti rationalization for his actions at all and any legitimate thought into the ethical aspects of heroism comes largely after adopting All Might's Fe philosophy - even that is just mostly throwing around All Might's many sayings. Yes, both All Might and Izuku were young (All Might was a little older but he was still a highschool student I would assume to be not much older than Midoriya is currently) when they confessed their desire for heroism but whereas we can observe All Might's Fe-Ti wariness and justification for ethical action we don't see as much (if at all) from Midoriya. That's the fundamental difference between All Might's Fe-Ti heroism and Midoriya's Fi-Te heroism. It's very much from a his emotional desire to do good. Unlike All Might, there isn't much a vision of what he wants done (Fe/Ni/Se) but simply that he feels he must do it.

Altruism/humanitarianism/heroism for the people is not exclusively Fe. Midoriya is demonstrating Fi altruism.

What you see is what you get, and you're pointing at something behind the scenes that just... isn't there?

It's very important to pay attention to the way a character is depicted in a story as well as how their motivations are shown (instead of basing your judgement on surface level lingustic analysis) - that's where most of my analysis comes from. They're fictional characters that aren't as completety depicted like real people, yes, but they're still based off of real people - a certain level of understanding of human motivation and psychology to is needed to even pass them of as believable characters as a means to sell the story. This still applies to MHA.

he admired all might because he helped/saved people

Then why was there so much of Midoriya's passion focused into the fact that All Might is hero? And not that he is a admirable for his ethical actions? Midoriya had these sentiments as a child and carried them into his teenage years before coming to meet All Might. A hero is more than just someone that is ethical. A hero is also someone of great power. Someone of recognition. Someone who gets to act out their beliefs. One can wish to be a hero for one or more of those things.

if I told you you couldn't be a certain type today because of something you said 10 years ago as an infant you'd declare me insane.

That's true, but that's also a very radical oversimplification of human development and how values are adopted and changed over time. A child is going to adopt certain modes of understanding and exploring the world and these values are going to be their means of enduring early life. There is a very special reason we are careful about raising children. Strive a child of attention, they will do anything to demand love and attention from others when they become adults. Smother a child with too much attention, and they will build social walls from others. Get a child sexually abused, said child might become involved in unhealthy sexual lifestyles (i.e. aren't pedophiles commonly victims of childhood molestation and how many pornstars had very early sexual interactions?). Spoil a child with rewards? They become selfish brats as adults. I know these kinds of children are victims of subpar childhoods but these examples alone demonstrate how we adopt certain beliefs and modes of being as children, let them shape us and carry them on in one form or another. In this case I would actually disagree, if MBTI functions are means for valuing certain values (judgements) and means of perception, I'd disagree that a person can change types although they can change how they express them(not to make MBTI actually legitimate mind you, I understand it's mostly a means of explaining human behavior and are scientifically unsubstantiated for the most part). So it's not a wise idea to so easily discard the sentiments Midoriya and All Might had as young men - don't you think it's put there and emphasized the way they are for a purpose?

Actually, even though I don't like Ennegram, you can use Ennegram to understand the childhood wounds of each Ennegram archetype. It's a basic but pretty useful tool.

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2018-08-21 10:39:29pm (post #2950)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

oh damn reading this over I think I misunderstood you on that first part, but something I'd like to add is that his desire to "be like all might" and "help others" are one and the same, he admired all might because he helped/saved people, as is shown in the show. I'll say again though that I don't think childhood beliefs or role models are of much relevance to his typing regardless, if I told you you couldn't be a certain type today because of something you said 10 years ago as an infant you'd declare me insane.

As for "Fi types might also want to know who they could be" I somewhat disagree when talking about midoriya. Fi focuses mainly on the subjective stance towards issues in the present (as Ti does), while intuiting functions focus on what could be, and self-actualization with a focus on a personal ideal (to the benefit of others) is actually a very introverted intuitive (+extraverted feeling) thing.

What's important though is how he thinks and acts as of today, and his undying altruism precedes any desire to find out how he feels about things. I really can't see him as anything but INFJ when talking MBTI and functions rather than archetypes.

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2018-08-19 09:10:04am (post #2935)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

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2018-08-19 04:43:56am (post #2933)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

That's not a bad analysis, Teru, but with that much Fe you might as well make him an ENFJ. It's almost like taking All Might's decriptions and writing it over Midoriya's. It's almost as if, like I've been saying, Midoriya is trying to be like ENFJ All Might. Adpoting his beliefs into his own personal system of ethics. I can't remember precisely but didn't his desire to be a hero precede his desire to help others? That's an important thing to pay attention to because unlike the actual Fe user, All Might, it was the other way around.

As a young man, All Might actually demonstrated Fe-Ti. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDW2ReQZOQU He points out his ethical deicison (Fe) to become a pillar for his society and rationalizes (Ti) by pointing out his decision is the solution to the injustices in his society. This is what he tells Nana. Midoriya has never been shown to mirror All Might's sentiments in the least bit prior to becoming his protege. An INFJ would held similar views (if not somewhat less interested in the role of being a savior for society) as they too have Fe-Ti, but Midoirya never does. That's why I don't think he has Ti (and therefore cannot have Fe). Repeating All Might's lessons ("meddling when you don't need to...is the essence of being a hero") is not Ti rationalization but an Fi reinstatement of the values he adopted from All Might. That's why he resembes an Fe user despite the fact he's actually trying to find of a mode of being like that of All Mights. Midoriya's goals are for the most part, if you understand his motivations, self-serving; as a means of developing himself (not to put down Fi types though).

Fi-Te dom-inf dynamics seeks the means to implement their sense of ethics onto society and the most effective means of ethical implementation is usually demonstrated by Fe-Ni types. That's why he idolizes him. Deku and All Might aren't the only INFP-glorifying-ENFJ relationship. Think of Shinji and Kaworu from Evangelion, another INFP-ENFJ relationship that mirrios Deku's to All Mights.

because of course an Fi type would want to be just like someone else

Midoriya wishes he held the same ethical (competent, if you go by inferior Te) attributes as All Might and adopts his beliefs in order to become someone like him. Fi types want to stay true to themselves, that's true, but they might also want to know who they could be. Midoriya, as shown through his idolization of All Might through out his childhood, wishes to become a hero powers like his.

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2018-08-18 08:36:38pm (post #2932)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

An important thing to understand is that both feelers will do what they think is right and both feelers stick to their values, the difference lies in where they're directed, an extraverted feeling type like midoriya seeks to help people, make them open up and become better versions of themselves, seeks to motivate and lead them, and more importantly seeks to become his society's ideal: a strong hero who will save people with a smile. I'm going off into your own shady territory here but I think a contrast can be drawn with, for example, stain, who is repulsed by society and doesn't seek to improve it but to purge it of those who give in to the desire of wealth and fame instead of staying true to themselves, those who he sees as "impure". Stain is an extreme example of someone who seeks harmony between his values and actions rather than someone who seeks to bring harmony to the people around him. Midoriya is never shown to have strong "moral codes" or to have strong judgements between "right and wrong", he just wants to and takes pleasure in helping people, even when those people are his bullies or villains who could change for the better. Another thing to remember is that, yes, he has been the "underdog" for most of his life, but he wanted to become a hero way before he knew he didn't have a quirk and way before anyone looked down on him, making it something that was ingrained in him and has little relation to later on finding out he was actually quirkless. I think you're missing some key aspects of his personality by focusing on minor details like "wanting to be like all might" (because of course an Fi type would want to be just like someone else) and "writing things down", "mumbling" or by deviating from function definitions, focusing more on relationships between function positions rather than what they are actually described to be. Just my two cents before i get back on my bullshit

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2018-08-18 07:14:24pm (post #2931)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

Galaxy, any type can have goals. It doesn't matter how they go about implementing them. Having a goal doesn't necessaily mean you have Ni.

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2018-08-18 05:22:38pm (post #2929)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

GalaxyStrider, that's partially true, it's his desire to help/save those around him and well as his desire to be hero (although given the way the story is told I think the latter precedes the former). As for All Might's beliefs, Midoriya simply adds his beliefs into his belief of ethics; he adds it to his Fi code.

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2018-08-18 05:17:56pm (post #2928)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

GalaxyStrider, just because the word "dream" is used there doesn't mean it's Ni. A dream could also be another word for a goal. It's not necessarily Ni which "manifests itself in dream-like visions". Ni is dream-like in how it operates in "visions" and "flashes of inspiration". Midoriya just has a goal he strongly believes in - it doesn't really follow any type by that description alone as all types can have goals they strongly believe in (except maybe Ti dom/aux users?).

You have to differentiate how it's described as opposed to how it happens. There's instances in that decription that I could attribute to Ne or Si as well.

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2018-08-18 05:11:36pm (post #2926)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

NiTech, you're spot-on with Midoriya's analysis except the fact that Midoriya's accepted All Might's philosophy into his own code of heroism. There's no Ni-Fe-Ti analysis of All Might's moral where Midoria would trey to use Ni and Ti to contemplate the core aspect of it and using Fe to judge it's ethical worth before coming to accept it - he simply has an undying belief in it.

Keep in mind that Midoriya wants to overcome his underdog position and idealizes All Might as the most power hero. In a way, Midoriya wants to be him and you could say he accepted his system of ethics into his own in order to do that. Seeking a mode of being and find the self is very central to how Fi works.That's why I think Midoriya is a Fi type specifically. His belief in All Might's beliefs is what drives his heroism. He is heroic because he feels that his code of ethics demand that he "meddles when he doesn't need to".

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2018-08-18 05:01:08pm (post #2923)

fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST

ok. i was just checking because it's a common mistake that people tend to make. most of people refer to Jung while using a total definition of functions.

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2018-08-18 04:35:06pm (post #2920)

fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST

galaxy i agree with you on this argument and about Izuku's type but you have to know that jung's Ni is different from Cognitive function's definition of Ni (as well as socio Ni's).

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2018-08-18 04:25:04pm (post #2918)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

I asked for a source not a diy mental gymnastics tutorial, "It's not really stated anywhere" would've been enough

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2018-08-18 05:50:25am (post #2891)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

Where has it ever been stated he wants to be a hero in order overcome his insecurities (which were caused by wanting to be a hero so he could help people before he was ever insecure as a child but not developing a quirk iirc!)

It's not really stated anywhere but it's strongly implied given how the story is told. It doesn't really ever make sense that Midoriya was this selfless angel that wanted to only do good to others.That's not how MHA portrays his early struggles. He's shocked that he's quirkless, there's his conflict with Bakugo who's turning out to have a really good quirk, his idealization of All Might as the most powerful hero, and his desire to become a hero himself. He's clearly portrayed as an underdog from the get go. All these suggest that Midoriyas journey to heroism is a derived from a desire to overcome his underdog status - not so much for a humanitarian drive first. It makes even more sense that Midoriya never truly questions his place as a hero but simply reasserts his righteousness as a hero over the evil villains (not to portray Midoriya in a negative light of course).

How are "feelings of powerlessness" related to inferior Te?

Dominant functions have "fetishistic" relations to their inferior counter parts. Ni wants to supress Se but also wants it's Ni vision to manifest in the physical Se world. Si wants to control Ne as a means of stabalizing a complex system of practices from becoming disorganized but it also wants Ne to further expandon said system or perhaps be the means of developing a newever and better one. Fi wants to avoid the practical obtacles posed by Te to be able to define and express itself in whatever it chooses but it also wants Te in order to manifest it's self expression in the real world.

Deku wants to be a heroic savior due to his Fi but hasn't considered the Te obtacles to achieving it. In the end he has to realize his Te is insufficient (he is quirkless) and he has to develop it by becoming a hero by whatever means (recklessly try to save Bakugo).

How is selflessly doing people favors even when it endangers you related to a desire to maintain autonomy?

I never said Deku wanted to maintain his autonomy in the sense he doesn't care about others and wants to be doing what he feels he wants to do (if that's what you're trying to get at). Fi is about adhereing to one's sense of self. It can be humanitarian but it's humanitarianism going to be derived out of a deeply personal connection to an ethical cause. Midoriya desperatley wants to be a hero but doesn't have a quirk. He sees Bakugo, the boy he wants to prove himself to, in danger. He's posed with a situation where he can (possibly) get people to recognize his heroic spirit and prove to Bakugo that he's not a quirkless weakling - so does what he did. Midoriya's actions in way are dervied out of his personal connection to his desire to be a hero and to prove himself to Bakugo. Fi.

Since when do extraverted feelers not have values?

They do. Their humanitarianism is simply not going to be derived from their personal connection to a cause or what they feel are their values as much as it's going to be for an introverted feeler.

Where has "overreactive Fi" ever been described?

I'm using Deku's tendency to overreact to minor things as an example of his lack of Fe (thus not an FJ). He doesn't have the Fe familiarity to know how to react to such situations in a socially acceptable way so he expresses his true feelings instead with out much regard for how people might percieve him.

Since when are functions related to (social) skills as opposed to preferences?

Certian functions are going to make someone prefer certain types of skills more so than others (e.g. Fi-Se might be more interested in art due to Se than Fi-Ne is in poetry because of Ne even though it's possible both could do the same or even the other way around).

Do Se-favoring types never write things down?

Not to the level of detail that Midoriya does or any other Si user. Si level of detail is for the purposes of recording (which is what Midoriya does) to act as a database for Ne. That level of detail wouldn't serve Ni as it's concerned about Se implementation which requries the recognition of achievable and simply defined steps. Se types are just not as likely as Si types to be that obsessed about recording information.

How can you rationalize deeply studying heroes trying to understand their every action and move fitting in a stack with inferior Te + Ne?

Si.

How is a preference for openness, spotting patterns and doing new things related to his extremely strategical fighting?

You need to be open to new oppourtunites of advantage in order to fight tactically/strategically.

How is his withdrawal into deep analysis when faced with danger also "thinking on his feet" and how is quick thinking related to anything in the INFP stack?

Ne. His analysis really starts when he's under stress. The time it takes for him analyze his opponents is probably exaggerated for the purpose of letting audiences know precisely what he's thinking. There's no way his opponents would ever give him 10 to 20 seconds to think up of his next moves at least when in direct combat.

Did you know that almost everything you said here is in complete conflict with even his wiki page, or has never been mentioned anywhere?

Actually, no, it's not. At least for the wiki page. Then again it's not my fault you (or others) can't type or understand how certain behaviors are likely to manifest under types or easily trip over semantic differences.

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2018-08-17 11:26:47pm (post #2888)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

Great analysis! Was wondering if you could give me a source on some of this stuff, I get a little confused sometimes!

Where has it ever been stated he wants to be a hero in order overcome his insecurities (which were caused by wanting to be a hero so he could help people before he was ever insecure as a child but not developing a quirk iirc!)

How are "feelings of powerlessness" related to inferior Te?

How is selflessly doing people favors even when it endangers you related to a desire to maintain autonomy?

Since when do extraverted feelers not have values?

If they don't have moral codes or awareness of their own emotion then how is not knowing why you saved someone's life (truly something related to functions) related to Fi?

Since when can extraverted feelers no longer "feel they should do things"?

Where has "overreactive Fi" ever been described?

Since when are functions related to (social) skills as opposed to preferences?

Do Se-favoring types never write things down?

How can you rationalize deeply studying heroes trying to understand their every action and move fitting in a stack with inferior Te + Ne?

Where have tendencies to mumble ever been described in function theory?

How is a preference for openness, spotting patterns and doing new things related to his extremely strategical fighting?

How is his withdrawal into deep analysis when faced with danger also "thinking on his feet" and how is quick thinking related to anything in the INFP stack?

Has there been a single instance in the show where he didn't come up with a strategy before fighting?

Did you know that almost everything you said here is in complete conflict with even his wiki page, or has never been mentioned anywhere?

Other than that I think you made a pretty waterproof case there keep it up bud join the discord you'll love it there

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2018-08-17 09:50:44pm (post #2887)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

Midoriya's goals are derived from his personals feelings of ambition (Fi). He hasn't dreamt of a path to his dream like an Ni user but simply feels his goals of herosim are important to his overcoming of his feelings of powerlessness (recognition of inferior Te) and is willing it chase it with all his might. Take the time he saves Bakugo despite no having a quirk. His personal ethics of heroism completely overrode the obvious physical danger posed to him and Bakugo as well as the possibility of failure as he didn't have a quirk strong enough to overcome the villian. He doesn't even know why he saved Bakugo liked that when looking back - so it can be left for us to infer he saved him because he felt he should; his actions are dervied from Fi (and has inferior Te). His Fi is also why is so overractive as he lacks the Fe knowledge to know how to behave in a way that's socially appropirate.

Si is pretty easy to spot since he keeps notebooks worth of information on many heroes many of which he has memorized. He also mumbles to himself in repition under stress.

Ne is shown his combat exploits. He's very good at thinking on his feet and putting together creative solutions on the fly. He doesn't keep a plan ahead like Ni with steps to take in the moment (Se) but is very perceptive of what could be done in the moment.

P.S. Does Teru really want to go at me again about Guts after I schooled him on Jordan Peterson?

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2018-08-17 08:56:17pm (post #2883)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

fuck i wrote a long ass paragraph and itj ust dissapread

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2018-08-17 08:34:56pm (post #2882)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

yeah what galaxy just said

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2018-08-17 07:29:54pm (post #2879)

fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe

lol this kid's an INFP what's wrong with you folks

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2018-08-17 06:19:26pm (post #2873)

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