yes i was hesitating between LEVF and LFVE, but with your information LEVF fit more

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i don't know exactly the date, the information was from one of my philosophy teacher's anecdote in our class about ethic (he is an admirer of both Leibniz and Spinoza btw), he probably got this information from this book https://www.amazon.fr/Spinoza-Leibniz-Rencontres-controverses-r%C3%A9ceptions/dp/2840509431 . you will probably say that the source is not enough suffisent since you can't verify the information so i will ask you to adopt a fiabilist epistemological behavior (he have absolutely not any interest to lie or invent this + lie is rarer than truth telling due to basic anthropological need) or at least beleiveling in epistemological virtue theory (his social position is a field where a certain intellectual rigor and honesty tend to be cultivated) .

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Well, I actually did read that when Jacobus sent it to me but I had forgotten about that part? but then, I don't see Leibniz as a secondary F at all and believe that was his last function in the theory, so I think LEVF is the best choice? I mean even ignoring the honor aspect, Leibniz kind of gave up trying to make england use his proof after some time and he didn't literally see it as a fight betwen him and Newton more like just defending himself so it is still possible.

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V is linked to honor don't refer only to https://www.attitudinalpsyche.com 's description who like socionics.com is like a "for dummies" version of the theory

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2nd V is THE honorable function. just read this https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&tab=wT&authuser=0&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20140408215506%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.strannik.de%2Flovesyntax%2F24_lwpe.htm

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V is not all about honor, honor is much more correlated with Jness, enneagram 1 and H in HEXACO, actually some V people can be very unhonorable, but then there is a thing I am unsure and maybe you know about it: time.

So at one point one can think a thing and later change his mind, that is obvious, what if that happened? what if when he met Spinoza he didn't disagree with him or have a complete conclusion but later changed his mind? that is a possibility but then I would need to have knowledge about when things happened and I am quite short on time right now for me to search about it.

I don't see the correlation betwen V and being completely honest about what gives you inspiration at all? it can be correlated with honor but I don't know a definition that put it as a core aspect of it other than maybe taking responsabilities which doesn't fall by it?

But then, I think I have an argument for him to be high on V and oblivious to F, with L first being quite obvious: the calculus invention with Isaac Newton.

So I am unsure if you know but calculus was invented first by Isaac Newton, before finishing it he sent a letter to Leibniz, who hadn't finished his theory at the time, then Leibniz also started working on it, Isaac Newton finished it first but did not publish it as it had a few problems, but it was good enought to be generally accepted, but then Leibniz published it before, Isaac Newton quickly published his, and then a debate started, Isaac Newton wanted the credit to go to him (which is a core argument I make for tritype 3 and insecure F for Newton, also even sp/so) because he was the first to create it, even with Leibniz having a better theory, what happens is that Leibniz wanted his to be more well accepted because of such aspect, and both kept with the discussions, Isaac Newton kind of lost over the rest of the world but since he was more important in england they kept using his proof for it, when Leibniz died Newton tried to destroy Leibniz from history and he even kind of had a group of people to help him (sp/so), because he was insecure in F related aspects but high on willpower and believed he should take credit for making Leibniz interested in it and being the first to finish it, Leibniz just didn't care about any of that, he also didn't care about the physical aspects of anything in mathematics, while Newton cared (he was a physicist after all), which is a good comparation of what I believe is a LVFE (Newton) and a LVEF (Leibniz) but I am unsure about the insecurity in E, but I really don't see Leibniz as insecure in V because he was not honest with Spinoza, but depending on a few already mentioned things I believe you can easily change my mind.

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Leibniz was not honorable at all, he met Spinoza in person and did not openly disagree with his philosophical though in person, but after made a whole book of metaphysic writed against the ethic of Spinoza based on it and answered that he was not inspired at all by it and that he despised this work, despite the fact that his monade theory is greatly inspired from Spinoza's monism. so he can't be 2nd will

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