The Lord of the Rings
|public myers-briggs votes||(20/05/16 07:31) kashifirfanbhatti: ESTJ|
|(21/02/19 16:42) Tman: ESFJ|
|(21/02/15 01:18) phsc: ESTJ|
|(18/05/04 08:16) Taco110: ESTJ|
|public function votes||(20/05/16 07:31) kashifirfanbhatti: ESTJ|
|(19/02/25 21:14) phsc: ESTJ|
|(18/05/13 05:39) fg: ESTJ|
|public enneagram votes||(20/05/16 07:31) kashifirfanbhatti: 3w2|
|(21/02/19 16:41) Tman: 6wb|
|(21/02/15 01:20) phsc: 6wb|
|(18/05/13 05:39) fg: 8w7|
|(18/05/04 08:16) Taco110: 3w2|
|(18/05/04 08:04) Stephen Hearts: 3w2|
|public instinctual variant votes||(21/02/21 00:39) phsc: so/sx|
|(19/04/15 15:07) tman: sx/sp|
|public tritype® votes||(21/02/19 16:41) Tman: 638|
|(21/02/15 01:19) phsc: 683|
|(20/05/16 07:31) kashifirfanbhatti: 386|
|public sociotype votes||(21/02/19 16:42) Tman: SLE|
|(20/05/16 07:31) kashifirfanbhatti: SLE|
|(19/02/25 21:16) phsc: SLE|
|(18/05/19 06:58) fg: SLE|
|public psychosophy votes||(21/02/15 01:18) phsc: VFEL|
|public hexaco votes|
I don't think it is all about following his dad and making him proud, I think he truly believes giving it to Gondor so Gondor can use it as a weapon is something he truly believes in, not say that his lack of trust on the elves, on Frodo and such could be quite 6, one issue I realized with 3 is that maybe he could even be 2 if you think he is all about motivations, the 3/2 line gets a bit complicated
Also 8 makes sense, he is the natural leader kind of dude who wants to protect his people and is quite controlling, he would just be a healthy 8.
I do think he is concerned with security and his people over his image, but control and being more direct about it (read some social 8 healthy descriptions) and then 3.
"True-hearted Men, they will not be corrupted. We of Minas Tirith have been staunch through long years of trial. We do not desire the power of wizard-lords, only strength to defend ourselves, strength in a just cause. And behold! In our need chance brings to light the Ring of Power. It is a gift, I say; a gift to the foes of Mordor. It is mad not to use it, to use the power of the Enemy against him. The fearless, the ruthless, these alone will achieve victory. What could not a warrior do in this hour, a great leader? What could not Aragorn do? Or if he refuses, why not Boromir? The Ring would give me power of Command. How I would drive the hosts of Mordor, and all men would flock to my banner!"
This is very 6, very 8 and very 3, it is hard to distinguish betwen the 3 and 8 in this but I think in the rest of the movie it makes sense, how he tries to act nice to Faramir and such as well, instead of thinking more about himself is something that I think could even justify 2, also here is the thing about 8, 8 goes to 2 under integration so I could see him constantly doing that because he is kinda a healthy 8 (I mean just look at Sauron and compare).
If he is 3, if anything, the movie is him going to 9, and to an extent counterphobic 6 and going to 3, so think about it.
Early on he is super mad, doesn't like Aragorn (kind of a 3 motivation, but also 6 considering Isildur and the fact men fucked it up back then), doesn't like the elves, and thinks him and Gondor should take the ring, he talks a lot about himself in this which makes me think he is going a bit out of the loyalty side of 6 to his dad but going more towards himself (6 going to 3 makes sense but also rather counterphobic I would say), and he still keeps the same mentality, but later on he accepts that it is all up to Frodo and that he fucked up, which is in my opinion a clear 6 going to 9 integration.
3 has the issue which is that... well, only integration works (him accepting to work with them and trusting Frodo could be 3 going to 6), but 3 going to 9 really does not happen and well, 6 going to 9 still has 6 traits and 9 traits, meanwhile 3 going to 9... doesn't seem like a good fit to me, 8 has him going to 2 which I already explained, and I think the lack of his dad but the focus on security actually fits 8 going to 5 pretty damn well, as the enneagram institute puts it "When moving in their Direction of Disintegration (stress), self-confident Eights suddenly become secretive and fearful at Five.".
There is also the fact that generally 8s want to be seen as strong and such no matter if tritype 2, 3 or 4, just for different reasons, having met people of all such combinations in real life I'd agree and think it is part of 8 mostly when social in the instinctual variants.
2021-02-20 03:56:38am (post #8651)
Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sp/Sx ILI|
His core motivation is to restore honer to his people and make his father proud, which I can see fitting with a 3 or a 6. Also not that controlling? Really? He tired to physically take the ring! I agree 6 might make more sense because he seems to primary desire the Ring so he can restore Gondore and more importantly, make his father proud, but I don't see 3 as a bad vote by any means. I think he's just inclined to try and help "his people" over trying to concern himself with what people think of him, but both are clearly important to him. I also think a lot of his behavior in the film is him moving to 3 under stress now that I think about it.
2021-02-19 04:41:12pm (post #8649)
So I was just thinking about it, both 3 and 8 are terrible votes, is he controlling? yes, but why is he controlling? because he is kinda paranoid and totally insecure about what is going to happen, and he is not naturally THAT controlling, he just went counterphobic during the scene he tries to take the ring! and after that he realizes he fucked up, 3 is a terrible vote, it is not about his image or anything it is more about the fact he thinks everybody else is wrong, 8 is a better vote than 3 but still I think 6 makes way more sense.
2021-02-15 01:20:44am (post #8645)