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public myers-briggs votes | (20/12/17 05:03) Freaky_sage: INTP |
(20/11/21 02:17) Azdual: INTP |
(20/07/18 15:43) Omnis: INTP |
(20/06/04 01:44) Lol: INTP |
(20/05/24 03:45) Flower-like: INTP |
(20/05/23 07:25) safsom2: INTP |
(20/05/07 00:48) kashifirfanbhatti: INTP |
(20/04/09 20:15) zayeh: INTP |
(20/01/16 09:40) zeelkv: INTP |
(19/12/22 04:06) phsc: INTP |
(19/05/24 16:43) jt: INTP |
(19/05/10 10:32) INTJ-2698: INTP |
(19/03/27 00:55) urrayo: INTP |
(19/03/13 02:44) ally: INTP |
(19/02/09 21:01) twinpinks: INTP |
(18/12/09 00:01) Ientaryau: INTP |
(18/12/01 17:35) Althea: INTP |
(19/01/24 01:33) tman: INTP |
(18/11/13 20:12) tch: INTP |
(19/02/02 07:45) Khel: INTP |
(18/06/11 12:26) Zeego: INTP |
(18/06/08 05:35) Teru Mikami: INTP |
(18/06/07 11:59) *~snow~*: INTP |
(18/06/26 02:27) edza: INTP |
(18/05/06 09:33) Mineshield: INTP |
public function votes | (20/12/17 05:03) Freaky_sage: INTP |
(20/11/21 02:17) Azdual: INTP |
(20/07/10 18:56) crescendi: INTP |
(20/05/24 03:45) Flower-like: INTP |
(20/05/23 07:25) safsom2: INTP |
(20/05/07 00:48) kashifirfanbhatti: INTP |
(20/01/31 13:31) Lol: INTP |
(19/12/20 01:41) phsc: INTP |
(19/05/10 10:32) INTJ-2698: INTP |
(19/03/27 00:55) urrayo: INTP |
(19/03/13 02:45) ally: INTP |
(19/01/27 21:56) tch: INTP |
(18/11/28 18:06) Phantom: INTP |
(18/11/18 21:16) tman: INTP |
(18/06/26 04:29) Khel: ISTP |
(18/06/26 02:25) edza: ISTP |
(18/06/23 01:14) Teru Mikami: INTP |
(18/05/13 02:37) fg: INTP |
(18/06/08 01:13) Blank: INTP |
public enneagram votes | (20/12/17 05:03) Freaky_sage: 5wb |
(20/11/21 02:17) Azdual: 5wb |
(20/07/18 15:43) Omnis: 5wb |
(20/07/10 18:56) crescendi: 5w4 |
(20/05/24 03:45) Flower-like: 5w4 |
(20/05/23 07:25) safsom2: 5w6 |
(20/05/07 00:48) kashifirfanbhatti: 5wb |
(20/01/16 09:40) zeelkv: 5w4 |
(19/12/20 21:04) Thyssen: 5wb |
(19/12/20 20:44) phsc: 5wb |
(20/01/31 13:31) Lol: 5wb |
(19/06/01 11:30) typometrics.tumblr: 5w4 |
(19/05/10 10:32) INTJ-2698: 5w4 |
(19/03/27 00:55) urrayo: 5w4 |
(19/03/13 02:47) ally: 5w4 |
(19/11/15 23:58) Tman: 5w4 |
(18/11/28 18:07) Phantom: 5w4 |
(18/06/23 11:18) Khel: 5w4 |
(18/06/08 05:35) Teru Mikami: 5w4 |
(18/06/07 11:59) *~snow~*: 5w4 |
(18/05/13 02:37) fg: 5w4 |
(18/05/07 07:15) edza: 5w4 |
(18/05/06 09:34) Mineshield: 5w4 |
public instinctual variant votes | (20/12/17 05:03) Freaky_sage: sp/sx |
(20/11/21 02:17) Azdual: sp/sx |
(20/09/05 01:12) Flower-like: sx/sp |
(20/07/18 15:44) Omnis: sp/sx |
(20/05/23 07:25) safsom2: sp/sx |
(19/12/20 01:41) phsc: sp/sx |
(19/06/01 11:30) typometrics.tumblr: sp/sx |
(19/03/27 00:55) urrayo: sp/sx |
(19/02/26 17:40) tman: sp/sx |
(18/11/28 18:08) Phantom: sp/sx |
(18/06/23 11:17) Khel: sp/sx |
(18/06/11 02:44) Nyx: sp/so |
(18/06/08 05:35) Teru Mikami: sp/sx |
(18/05/13 02:37) fg: sp/sx |
(18/06/23 04:14) kawaii: sp/sx |
(18/05/07 07:15) edza: sp/so |
(18/05/06 09:34) Mineshield: sp/sx |
public tritype® votes | (21/01/13 17:09) phsc: 5xx |
(20/11/21 22:10) Tman: 593 |
(20/11/21 02:17) Azdual: 594 |
(20/09/12 04:00) Flower-like: 593 |
(20/07/18 15:44) Omnis: 514 |
(20/07/10 18:56) crescendi: 592 |
(20/05/23 07:25) safsom2: 549 |
(20/05/07 00:48) kashifirfanbhatti: 594 |
(19/12/20 23:50) Thyssen: 593 |
(19/06/01 11:30) typometrics.tumblr: 594 |
(19/01/22 16:22) Teru Mikami: 594 |
(19/01/22 14:41) zethmal: 513 |
public sociotype votes | (20/12/17 05:03) Freaky_sage: LII |
(20/11/21 02:17) Azdual: LII |
(20/08/04 04:36) Thyssen: LII |
(20/07/18 15:44) Omnis: LII |
(20/11/22 06:00) Flower-like: LII |
(20/05/23 07:25) safsom2: ILI |
(20/05/07 00:48) kashifirfanbhatti: LII |
(20/02/23 13:28) tch: LII |
(19/12/21 16:15) phsc: LII |
(19/05/10 12:19) Phantom: LII |
(20/07/19 11:36) Tman: ILI |
(18/12/08 20:07) switchblades: ILI |
(18/08/06 16:16) kawaii: ILI |
(18/09/05 10:57) Teru Mikami: ILI |
(18/06/23 11:17) Khel: ILI |
(18/06/11 12:26) Zeego: ILI |
(18/06/10 01:46) Nyx: LII |
(18/06/09 09:55) fg: LII |
(18/05/07 07:14) edza: ILI |
public psychosophy votes | (20/12/17 05:03) Freaky_sage: LVEF |
(20/09/21 10:04) Flower-like: LVEF |
(20/05/23 07:25) safsom2: LVEF |
(20/02/23 13:28) tch: LFEV |
(20/01/31 14:33) phsc: LFEV |
(19/10/19 14:31) Phantom: LVEF |
(20/01/31 14:05) Tman: LFEV |
(20/03/15 17:03) Thyssen: LFEV |
public hexaco votes | (20/03/03 02:31) tch: HEXACO |
(19/12/21 16:24) phsc: HEXACO |
phsc ![]() "L as ILI will not appear entirely throughout the anime because during it's time L's suggestive Se is satisfied constantly by Light Yagami." It is not satisfied, it actually is the opposite, it is triggered, mostly early on, L gets annoyed at Light, it is Ti and Ne vs Ti and Se, it is a versus relation, even when Light joins the team that wants to find Kira and such, it is still not a positive Se relation, L and Light fit the comparative/kindred relation, L does fit Se suggestive to an extend, but not perfectly, first is that I think Si is a better fit, second is that, is that the core of his personality? Just because he might fit one function well (I do not think even that is true), it does not mean that he is such a type, if it is a trait that is barely shown in the anime, then why is it his type? if it does not appear, while a lot of other traits, such as being in general very Ti and Ne, over Ni and Te, why should he be ILI? I think you should read my long comment on L's type, I explain it very well. "There also has to be (and is) some difference between L and Near (although this doesn't mean they are different types) because then Mello wouldn't exist." This straight up makes no sense, first, L and Near are very similar, there does not have to be some difference, I mean, in the manga there is more and such but both are EXTREMELY similar, the thing is, how does that relate to Mello? Mello and L are not related at all, Near and Mello are, and it is the Se user vs the Ti user, that is it's own side, but this is straight up nonsense, there does not have to be a difference betwen L and Near, there is because... there is one, but it was not needed, some think that there is actually barely any, and they are different types by other systems, but not socionics, but Mello is completely not related to this? kinda bizarre. "Mello, also typed as Se leading on this website, represents L's volitional side." Just because Mello is voted Se lead it does not mean he is Se lead! remember that, Jacobus is not EIE and tman is not ILI, I have explained that both are not, and they are not the supervisor relation as well! read up on it in wikisocion, I will give some sources, but yeah, Mello happens to fit being an Se user, BUT IT IS COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO L, Mello is the "opposite" of Near, not really the opposite but very different, not to L, both are similar yes, but comparing L and Mello? wtf? it is not L's volitional side, not at all, I really do not see any sense in this, it is just someone very different from Near, who also happens to be very different from L, that is it, not his volitional side, read on Se and how types apply Se and read my comment on L's type. Some good stuff for you to read: http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Wikisocion_LII_composite because I believe L is LII and Ti, Ne, Si, Se, Te, Ni fits pretty well to an extent, the arguments for ILI would be Fe but I think the exact method of Se, Si, Fi and mostly Ni/Ne/Ti do not fit that well, the general archetype of ILI fits but not the exact traits related to the type, but then the archetype does involve traits L has to an extreme, such as I, N and P by letters, enneagram 5 with more 9ish tendencies, etc, anyways, for ILI http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Wikisocion_ILI_composite The comparative/kindred relation, http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Kindred which is Light's with L, I mean, "Ideological differences based on opposing creative functions can also arise; for instance, an LSI and LII may have similar views, but the LSI might want to "impose his views on others," while the LII is "unwilling to do anything.", in this case the views are not that similar, but they easily understand each other as the relation talks about, but the real thing that L complains about, mostly early on, is that, Kira is applying his ignorant sense of justice by force. And for fucks sake, tman-Jacobus is not a supervisor relation, Jacobus is not EIE, tman is not ILI, I am unsure about tman's type to an extent, but there are so many other people who fit the supervision or conflict relations way better, look at fg-tman to an extent, way closer to supervision than Jacobus-tman, http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Supervision ![]() 2020-11-20 04:01:30pm (post #8554) |
Flower-like INFP 4 ![]() ![]() 2020-11-20 09:15:14am (post #8553) |
zayeh epic style ![]() 2020-04-09 08:16:13pm (post #7935) |
phsc ![]() Letter wise it is pretty obvious, full I, as much as L is somewhat social, he isn't talkative for the sake of being talkative, at all, the only reason he does not work alone in the Kira case is because he thinks it would be too hard and he would need help, actually I believe there is more to it but I will probably mention it in the socionics part, I believe he is N because he is of course much more theoretical and plays more using intuition and possibilities than Light and also Near, he constantly builds theories to explain what is going on and quite easily accepts more wild ideas such as Shinigamis, as much as I do understand the -N votes coming, mostly if they come from the myersbriggs.org definitions, not only limited to such but how the general meaning aspect L seems to lack (I will mention this a lot, mostly in enneagram), how he uses facts and reality to achieve things, but I think how he reacts to the more supernatural aspects of the show tells me he is not so realistic, and factual can make sense within a theoretical view which would be N, full T is quite obvious, there is really nothing to say about it, he thinks, he is not overly ethical or moral, he does not seem to value human lifes that much too, of course he cannot be compared to Kira but he takes risks I believe feelers would not, but well, he thinks, and uh... well he thinks, he is also obviously P, he adapts, his natural tendency is to adapt, he does not seem to have anything well defined, he constantly considers possibilities, and easily changes his mind, this is actually what got him killed, he does not care about organization or future planning, sometimes he has to plan but it is just so he can win the game, it is not his natural preference, he is P to the point he accepts planning because it is the best way to go, which is interesting. In functions magic, INTP should be obvious, Ti being logical frameworks and general deductive thinking he constantly uses to achieve who is Kira and the general rules of killing and all and Ne being constant possibilities he considers, Si in some definitions could be seen as his constant evaluation of past events for possibilities/seek for comfort (I believe Beebe adds this to it too, mostly Si child which would be what L falls into, also wanting to keep patterns and habits, such as eating and the pose, etc), also Fe inferior seems to make sense considering how weird he is socially, mostly if you take the inferior/anima/animus thing from Beebe too, and in such system by such man Se also makes sense as the trickster considering how physically weird and how he does not care about appearance and such things, but I got to agree with scotty (as I kind of did indirectly agree with fg on Light's IDR type being INTJ) that considering the general archetypal nature in which they take types, L does fit ISTP very well for their definitions, but as most function systems is what I try to follow, I go with INTP. Enneagram, first, the big question which I truly do not understand: why 4? what of 4 does he actually have? search for meaning? very little, maybe with the general puzzle solving, identity? being anonymous or weird? is it intentional? or does he just lack awareness? I do not know if in the manga they develop such things more, but I really do not see the 4 side, but then I also do not see a big 6 side, the only thing could be his care for security, which he is also not very strong in, but 5 is quite obvious, the objective view of reality with solving problems (I believe the possible 4 aspect is actually and aspect of 5, and Near is also 5w6 and also has such thing, after all enneagram is all about meaning?), the not socially inclined aspect, the detached aspect, very clearly 5, but with lack of both 4 and 6 aspects, I go with 5wb, but I probably would pick 5w6 because he has some 6 aspects being such security oriented ones, which are not even that 6, because it could just be the situation and 5 aspects achieving it, but the 4 aspects are also not so present too, which is why I truly ask, what is so 4 about him? I really do not see it. Tritype wise he is also not easy, I will take this with a different method, let's check how well he fits each enneagram type, for 1, he has some small sense of justice, more anti-Kira justice, anti his 1ness, but he does not deal with anger in how a 1 deals, he does not show traits that Kira does (taking anger in a more personal way) or even Near does (when he breaks his toy when angry, which is also taking it in a personal way, trying to control it, but not using or following it), 2 is pretty ridiculous, he really does not care about people liking him, 3, pff, him and external value? someone that weird? well, I will mention this again soon, 4, he is weird, is he weird for 4 reasons? how do we know? is there anything in the manga that explains such thing? he seems to be naturally weird for preference and then just does not care about what others think, 5 is obviously his main type, 6 there is only somewhat of the preocupation with security that could be simply 5, 7... he likes... food? 5 to 7?? 8 works within 5 to 8 in how he leads people considering he knows truth and is a very good problem solver which people mostly trust, but his main focus is not control and he is not a natural leader, 9 does make sense considering he is somewhat passive, does not impose his values, and in a general way is just in because he is agaisn't Kira and more of in a competitive relation (3??? 4??????? to an extent???) and actually he just is in because it is his job and he is competent within it, but well, what is not completely ridiculous, 3 (competitive, adaptative, has a great image != cares about great image), 4 (solves shit, is different), 9, well since 1 does not make sense in a general way, 59x, 3 or 4? Being competitive is not only a 3 trait, he does not care about his image as his focus, it is a result of his competence, and not wanting to lose is also 1 (135 competence tritype, Light Yagami fits) but also of course 5, and thus 594 is what seems to make the most sense, variants is by far the easiest, sp could also explain the security focus, very clearly sp 5 in this aspect, sx because he likes experiences (food, solving stuff), does not work in teams or groups naturally thus so blind could make sense. Socionics, well, he thinks and he is introverted, but what is it, Ti or Te? if we take the informational elements by themselves both make sense, Ti applied for LII makes sense too, but let's ignore this for a while, is he Ni? could be, he is very not related to physical reality, while also being, because a thing he clearly greatly values is comfort, he cares a lot about being physically comfortable and eating, which could indicate Si value, the health aspect of Si is not there, so what is it? type relationship wise he fits LII better than both, I believe LII-Ne descriptions fit him the best, but SLI descriptions are not far, he seems to value Te and not Ti and Ti demonstrative seems to make sense, he does not seem overly dreamy, just kind of autistic, not future oriented (not really a Ni exclusive thing for socionics form but some authors put it), but let's take each function at a time, first function, the leading, makes sense considering what he wants to achieve, who Kira is, he takes it in a very deductive way which fits Ti as in how deduction comes from principles, just like Light, Ni I find unlikely because he is not overly dreamy, he is overly rational and physically weird, good at seeing hidden connectiong but he is even better at seeing multiple possibilities (Ne), he does not seem to be Ne ignoring, since bringing in multiple ideas is a thing he constantly has to do and seems to naturally do, the problem is that Ne suggestive also does not make sense considering he does not depend on others for it, there is no ILE or IEE to give him ideas, he does not have naive concepts of how things will turn out of expectations from others, but then, Si dom does make sense if we ignore the health aspect, but here is the thing, LIIs can also value such things, the LII composite article from wikisocion mentions that sometimes they also do not take care of their physical health (look at him, his eyes, his column), which is why I rule ot Si lead, but there is another problem, socionics is a white or black system, with few shades of grey, but after all, there is a distinction, which is value, and L does not value Se, at all, he constantly lets people choose what to do, much more than Near who seems to be more widely accepted as LII, he does not obligate them to do what he wants, he would like that, he does not seem to even realize power dynamics are a thing, a big problem with LII is how LIIs supposedly know social conventions, but then Near who is also supposedly LII also is not the master of it, but then L is not so bad in the purely social field of it, such as communication, only in the physical realm of it, a thing that could solve it is the method of use of Fe, does he not use Fe because he thinks nobody cares and wants people to open him up (LII), or does he just dislike it, purely? or does he just dislike his emotions in a general way? (ILI). This is a problem, because he also does not fit Fi that well, he is not very close to anyone or feel or value attachment, or moral rules, he mostly follows what is widely accepted that could be Fe, but that could just be Te at work, so out of this, all I could find is that he does not value Se and instead values Si but has weak Si, which implies LII, by how the system is structured, I believe his thinking to be too structured and too much like the holographical-panoramic cognitive style, actually causal-determinist works the best, so what about ILE? he does constantly bring in new possibilities, he does use Ti and Te (demonstrative), does not care about values (Fi), Se role I really do not see how it fits, maybe how he acts with Light? supervisor makes some sense I would say, also ILEs P nature, but then the ILE is better at Fe, and his relationship with Light is too good for such a complicated type relation in such a complicated scenario, also extroversion is a core problem, back to why not ILI, the ILI composite article literally says that ILIs prefer not to brainstorm or mention multiple possibilities with other people, and L mostly does that, that is a big part of him, what makes him better than Light and what makes Light think he is better than Near, another thing is how L actually seems not to have a problem with structure for things such as time, which would be a bonus point for LII, he does not need external help for Si too as an ILE is supposed to have, but of course there is the way he interacts which is very not Fe, and he seems not to have problems with Ni as in the future-oriented aspects, mostly when talking to others, which is something that supposedly annoys ILEs. With all of this, I believe L is LII because of his value for Si while such function would be weak, his lack of skill and use of Fe in social scenarios, and how he has to have both strong Te Ti Ne Ni, while constantly using Ne and Ti for social interaction the most. So after that, the hard part has already been done, psyche-yoga/psychosophy wise, L first is very obvious, F last also seems to make sense as in how he does not care about physical reality, E insecure could make sense considering these weird flashbacks and the fact he says he also hates to lose, but then F as his secondary function is not so ridiculous considering he does care about reality as in for... food and physical comfort, LFEV or LVEF, the big question, I believe LVEF because of how he does fit V well after all, he is able to work in a team, he does not depend on others that much, only for things beyond what he is able to do, but he still achieves that, and of course, he is also not some form of natural leader, but after all, he was still the leader, because of the situation presenting it to him, typical of 2nd V, also how he seems to value a more democratic style of lead and how open he lets things, but I believe how detached he is from physical reality also indicates 4 F, and thus he is LVEF. And now, HEXACO, 4 for H, does not lie, admitted to being L, but from time to time had to make a play on Light, L is too calm and too unemotional, 0 for E, as much as E insecure can be there in psyche-yoga, it can be long gone, and it is not mentioned, if I do not have proof for a thing I will not assume it, low on X because he seems not to care about it and seems to consider him bad at it, but handles such problems if needed,as well as for his preference, so that is a 1, but I could see a 2, high on agreeableness because he simply explains things to people, there is really not a lot of people who go agaisn't him for us to see, but he seems not to care about those who say shit about him, or dislike him, just lets them leave, decently high, but he does call some people stupid from time to time when they truly do act stupid and annoying for him, low on C but not extremely, able to get to work and follow patterns if needed but not his natural preference, still able to handle it, I believe a 2 is the best value, max O because he would perfectly adapt to any idea and thus would like to have all possibilities. RCUEI in global 5, after all he is doing that for himself it seems like, probably a Ti type in Jung, not so much in how he views reality - the general problem with the meaning thing, maybe solving similar situations could be it? but mostly because of what he likes to do and his interest, but Ne type is not far too, very unsure, even Si is not that ridiculous when you think about it a bit. Any problems with this, let me know. ![]() 2019-12-21 04:27:07pm (post #7525) |
Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sp/Sx ILI![]() 2019-11-16 08:46:30am (post #7414) |
Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sp/Sx ILI![]() 2019-11-16 08:46:24am (post #7413) |
strawberry crisis enfp 7 ![]() ![]() 2019-11-16 01:06:35am (post #7412) |
Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE![]() ![]() 2019-11-16 12:22:03am (post #7411) |
fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST![]() ![]() 2018-07-04 08:06:10am (post #1816) |
Zeego INTP 9w1 sp/sx ILI Strange alien child ![]() ![]() 2018-06-26 10:12:44pm (post #1511) |
Teru Mikami Are you intuitive or do you follow the state? ![]() ![]() 2018-06-26 05:22:32am (post #1499) |
edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE![]() Logical, analytical, and well-reasoned. Laid-back, independent, and dispassionate. Have a preference for theory and abstractions and may come across as distant or have a hard time engaging others emotionally. Pensive theorists who are often more interested in pure understanding than in application. Intellectual problem solvers and systems analysts who trust principles rather than going case by case. The first two fit him very well, the middle one fits well enough as well, but the last ones barely at all. He seems primarily interested in applying his skills to difficult applications, and he certainly goes case by case, showing very little regard for what could be considered "principles". Upon further reflection I think INFJ is wrong too. He doesn't have the F stuff (a lot of the people they type as INFJ don't either), but he doesn't have the "Ni-dom" stuff either as he doesn't seem as intensely guided by anything in particular. I'm going with ISTP. If Kubrick can be ISTP, so can L. ISTPs at a Glance Factual, realistic, and impersonal. Cool-headed, perceptive, and independent. Quiet and observing, but audacious at the decisive moment. Not afraid to go one-on-one with challenges that would intimidate others. Detached towards others with little interest in directing or dominating them. All of this can fit him. Even in his weirdness, he's still factual and realistic. ISTP it is. ![]() 2018-06-26 02:25:20am (post #1495) |
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 ![]() ![]() 2018-06-24 07:36:08pm (post #1452) |
edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE![]() He can't be lead Thinking due to lack of structured... anything ![]() 2018-06-24 01:19:46pm (post #1450) |
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 ![]() ![]() 2018-06-24 12:09:21am (post #1446) |
Khel NEET owo space TIT![]() ![]() 2018-06-23 11:12:18pm (post #1445) |
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 ![]() ![]() 2018-06-23 10:25:11pm (post #1444) |
Khel NEET owo space TIT![]() ![]() 2018-06-23 10:23:04pm (post #1443) |
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 ![]() ![]() 2018-06-23 06:35:02pm (post #1442) |
Khel NEET owo space TIT![]() Most of his method, past having narrowed the possibilities down to the families of the police members that were followed by FBI agents, is to try to collect a sound evidence he needs to confirm his intuition that Light is Kira. The whole affair is merely a game to him and to win he has to prove that he's right, nothing else. ![]() 2018-06-23 03:54:59pm (post #1439) |
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