where did you get those correlations from? most of those results are from online forums and self-reported

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9w1 most frequent correlations are: INFP > ISFJ > INTP > ISTP> INFJ

It is worth noting that the correlations are quite different for 9w8.  For 9w8 most prevalent are ISTP > ISFP and J is not common.

The J correlation with 9 is related to the 1 wing.  Additionally, ISFJ is ~12% of the total population - they are plentiful as 9w1s.

The interesting distinction is that 9w8 correlates strongly with S while 9w1 more strongly with N.

I'd like to take a moment to be thankful for the thoughtful, kind, gentle 9w1's who make life worth living.

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so i think "most likely to be 9" is IS(F)P but "most likely to be 9w1" is INFP

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most 9s are probably 9w8 and I'd imagine a 9w1 to have more of the "spiritual" side described in 9s, so intuitive and not that low on introversion but by stereotypes they're still oriented towards people and relationships and would probably have a social dominant instinct

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So, one of the things I kinda have trouble with stereotypes from here is, what level of health the individuals have, I'd say a healthy 9, like perfectly healthy would be a ISFJ, while the average would probably be INFP or ISFP.

Anyway what happens is that I kinda start using functions over letters in my thinking and it kinda ends up biased for MBTI, but P>J is true

I don't understand the low I score and high N but I will be changing my vote and I think function wise it's either ISFJ or INFJ but I think INFJs have more reasons to be an 1 than ISFJs even tho ISFJs are really likely to be 2w1 but I guess ISFJ>INFJ while INFP gets something like 4w5 and ISFP 4w3

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breaking it down the attitude of 9s is something like "anything goes" and "whatever happens, I'm fine with it", pretty ridiculous to see that as J 

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in general 9w1 especially is also a very idealistic and spiritual type that sees people and their environment as a "flow" that they want to be connected to, anecdotal statistics are ass that's P as fuck, the only way an IFJ typing works is in functions or maybe potentially with a really weak J preference

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you would answer yourself if you didn't selectively ignore the parts that say they're the most grounded in the present, tend to be slothful and easygoing and can retreat or numb out, going along with their environment and ignoring themselves just to preserve their peace of mind or when unhealthy being totally disconnected from themselves, retreating into static inertia

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And?

Can you please give an argument instead of assuming something is obvious? that is an appeal to ridicule.

According to the enneagram institute: "The Easygoing, Self-Effacing Type: Receptive, Reassuring, Agreeable, and Complacent".

It applies to ISFJ ISFP INFP and INFJ really well, according to my experience and generic famous people with that type and the descriptions, I don't see a relation of P and J with enneagram 9, at most the wings, a 1 wing being related to J and a 8 I'd say in the 9w8 case, P, even tho most INFPs and ISFPs have 9 in their tritypes and if we use things such as adding wings to tritypes, if we add wings to them I'd say ISFP has balanced ones INFP has a 1 INFJ has a 1 and ISFJ clearly has a 1.

If we take a deeper look, using the same source:

Basic Fear: Of loss and separation

Basic Desire: To have inner stability "peace of mind"

It applies to all of these types, ok.

Considering the votes from here, I searched 9w1, and that only, let's see how many results for the most typical types that come to mind for 9w1, which are INFP, ISFP, ISFJ and INFJ, at least in my opinion, but I will search for ENFP and ESFJ too considering you had it in mind when voting a small value for I, because I don't see ENFJs or ESFPs as 9s, maybe, really maybe ESFJ but then you voted full for N so...

ISFJ: 83

ISFP: 97

INFJ: 59

INFP: 124

ESFJ: 19

ENFP: 25

This was done by just doing control+F and looking for the results, considering both MBTI and IDR votes, anyway recent votes did get into the list but I will consider them as too small of a deal.

There's a clear I>E preference in a general way, not sure what made your mind when voting, and there are many other factors such as this website mostly considers famous people, and it is very rare for ISFJs and ISFPs to be famous even tho they are quite common types and most of the time I'd say they are under represented in fictional works as they are really quite common.

Using that data it's P, considering that there are not many famous ISFJs and ESFJs I considered that it should be null, no preference, but according to my experience with people, and considering what type tends to be what enneagram more, almost all ISFJs I've met were 9w1, second place going to 2w1, but I don't think using my personal experience is a valid argument to change your vote, but I can use it for mine, right?

But, even then, there are way more ISFJs than INFPs, lets say the % of INFPs or ISFPs that are 9w1 is higher than the % of ISFJs who are 9w1, the total amount of ISFJs is higher, so I can assume that in a general way, if we take all 9w1s, most of them are going to be ISFJ, also in the function votes, I mainly relate 9w1 to the function Si which I think it is obvious why, and Fe or Fi make, in my opinion, no difference, I'd say having Ti is more enneagream 9 than Te, even if low Te, in my opinion INTP is a great type that tends to have 9 in their tritype almost always, and they are Ti doms, what happens is that since Ti+Ne>Si+Fe, they end up being 5, even tho ISFJs are not let's say, 95x while it is really common for INTPs to be 59x, and as that, I think the most INFP enneagram is 4, with then 9, so 49x, and also being Fi Ne Si Te, Si is quite low, and Fi Ne in my opinion is what makes a 4, so the function vote is ISFJ in my opinion.

TLDR: What is your argument? I'm interested and I might change my vote.

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9 as J lol

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