Enneagram 9 and Number 9 sucks (but I am lazy so thats my enneagram wing 1w9)

In gematria calculator

"infp" in the English Gematria system equals 135 (9+50+6+70), which reduces to 9

"infp" in the English Ordinal system equals 45 (9+14+6+16), which reduces to 9

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idk why you're relying so much on your own subjective experience in a system you're only trying to learn, the first thing you read on any description is that IEI is characterized by inertia and following an emotional flow while for EII it's humanitarian idealism and relations with others... why would the latter be more fitting for a P type

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I mean, I've met a pretty decent amount of INFPs in real life, online and online I mean random forums not related to MBTI at all, or maybe I just mistyped people?

Anyway I am changing my vote now but I might change it back to EII if the anonymous person who also voted EII decides to appear out of nowhere and explain his thinking.

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unless you're confusing meeting people with being told INFP and EII are the same type by someone on r/mbti

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if most INFPs you've met are also EII you haven't met many INFPs 

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"So, the biggest difference is the movement thing" I love the physiognomy aspects of Socionics lol

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On your argument about the IxxJ vs IxxP, according to sociotype.com which I think is a great website, not sure what you guys think of it and possible problems, characteristics for both.

IxxJ:

calm, balanced and inert - kinda true

"unflappable" - kindaaaaaa true

rigid but not very fast gait - false

may appear passive-aggressive - true

usually very stable mood - false

more reactive than active - true

little inclination to fidget during long periods of inactivity - true

IxxP:

relaxed - true

go-with-the-flow - kinda true

finds it easy to spend long periods of time in no activity, or at very low levels of energy - true

movements are flexible, unhurried - true

little inclination towards fidgetiness when having to remain inactive for longer periods - true

So, the biggest difference is the movement thing, ok it does give another edge to IEI, but here is a problem I have with temperaments. And of course the stable mood, which can fall under the argument about rationality and irrationality bellow, because the people I consider rational in the IPs would also break that.

"IPs are both dynamic and irrational, so they see reality as in continuous, gradual, often imperceptible change. An IP is soothed by this, seeing reality through his leading function. This leads to a relaxed inclination to take things as they come and adapt to them. As introverts, IPs tend to be relaxed and somewhat passive about initiating relationships with other people, mostly assuming that others will take the initiative."

Irrational, in my opinion would not really fit IxxP because, well, INTp! ISTp! this is not a valid argument agaisn't IEI instead of EII tho.

So in my opinion the biggest problems are not related to IEI or EII in that yet the entire system, putting INTp and ISTp with INFp and ISFp and all of them as irrational is quite not true from my knowledge.

For IJs:

"IJs are both static and rational, so they see reality as mostly not changing and when it does, it's in abrupt "leaps" from one state to another. An IJ draws inner stability from a stable reality, especially as seen through his leading function. That makes him confident that things will probably remain as they are despite what he sees as minor disturbances; periods of clear upheaval are very disturbing and the individual is anxious that things will "settle down" one way or the other soon enough. As introverts, IJs tend to be calm and relaxed about initiating relationships with other people, mostly assuming that others will take the initiative, but will be more inclined to try to make sure a relationship is maintained once established."

Well I do agree that INFJs from a Jungian view are rational while INFPs are not, and this would be a problem, but since it also considers INTp and ISTp as not rational, if we use the same method of thinking, shouldn't in this case, INFj and ISFj not rational?

Just going to mention that you are able to change my mind if you give another argument because the only thing that is keeping my EII vote is mostly the fact that most people I have met that are INFP are also EII and this talks about the most common type not stereotype, and then there is the argument I made for surveys being innacurate.

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Ok I did fuck up reading that spreadsheat but that does not change my argument, the vote difference is minimal and again it falls under the same argument I used which is there might be a difference made according to polls since if we use pure data there are many and many factors that can affect it we need to think about what causes the data and then with that we get into a conclusion.

Anyway I think the functions are a better method of typing, and well while Fi Ne vs Ni Fe, from Socionics, Ni Fe fits the stereotype better, I will still trust my empiricism and go with EII, I've met a quite vast amount of INFPs in my life, mostly if we consider the lovely thing called internet which seems to gather all INs, and I do think the most common type is EII, the stereotype is IEI.

But your arguments are mostly invalid.

"This statement is false, INFj in socionics is EII, INFp is IEI, but apparently you don't even seem to know THAT"

You are assuming words I did not say, I do know that Socionics functions are different from Jungian functions and that is the supposed type correlation, as I always say, supposed, because ENTJs are supposed to be LIE, and the vast majority of them are SLE, as ESFP is supposed to be SEE but there are more ESEs while ESTP who is supposed to be SLE gets SEE, and these are just the obvious cases of deviation.

"I wouldn't trust you in regards to socionics anyway."

Ok, don't, problem solved, I will not change my vote until you give me an actual argument, and of course try to refute mine about why I don't trust these kind of surveys about the kind of people that do them, which also affects my argument using that spreadsheet, I am also really curious towards who was the anonymous person that also voted EII for Socionics and possible arguments that person could make.

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Well, while I believe your data - but I don't know how exactly it was made, which could show the point I'm going to make as wrong, or even itself - I think there might be a problem in it, which is a factor that is not being considered when doing polls related to any kind of personality tests.

When you make a poll about what is the most common socionics type/enneagram/etc for a specific type, the person who votes in the poll had to find out and learn about both things, which can be either a 4 wanting to find out they are special and unique and different or rare or something like that, related to the basic fear and desire of 4s.

And again, to find out about it and go that deep, because there are a lot of people who just find out about 16personalities and don't go deeper, a 5 in your tritype would clearly help.

In my opinion, without much data other than the many people I've typed in real life, online and of course famous people, I'd say that maybe 9 can come before 4, of course a 9w1, and maybe the 5 in the tritype can be a 6, but if we are using basic type stereotypes, I think 495 fits better for the INFP stereotype.

And about socionics, there is this image which I don't remember the source, which speaks for itself: http://prntscr.com/mm8v0l

According to it EII is more common for INFPs than IEI and from personal experience I also think that is true.

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