Communism ~ MBTI, Enneagram, and Socionics Personality Type

Communism ~ MBTI, Enneagram, and Socionics Personality Type

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public myers-briggs votes

(19/05/24 19:43) jt: ESTJ

(19/02/10 19:47) *~snow~*: ENxJ

(19/02/10 11:17) tch: ENTJ

(19/02/09 13:10) Teru Mikami: ENP

(19/02/09 02:16) Taco110: ENTJ

(19/02/09 02:01) fg: ENTJ

(19/09/16 15:25) Tman: ENTJ

(19/02/08 23:41) LadyX: INFP

public function votes

(19/05/24 19:43) jt: ESTJ

(19/02/10 11:17) tch: INTJ

(19/05/24 19:46) Taco110: INTJ

(19/02/09 02:01) fg: INTJ

(20/04/02 17:13) Tman: ENTJ

public enneagram votes

(19/05/24 19:43) jt: 6w5

(19/02/09 02:16) Taco110: 1w2

(19/02/09 02:01) fg: 1w2

(20/12/08 14:21) Tman: 6w5

(19/02/08 23:42) LadyX: 6w5

public instinctual variant votes

(19/05/24 19:46) Taco110: so/sp

(19/04/28 23:33) tman: so/sp

(19/02/08 23:43) LadyX: so/sp

public tritype® votes

(20/12/08 14:22) Tman: 612

(19/02/10 19:49) ResoluteSoul: 261

(19/02/09 12:59) Teru Mikami: 269

(19/02/09 04:27) kawaii: 162

(19/02/10 19:59) Taco110: 612

(19/02/09 02:02) fg: 251

(19/02/08 23:42) LadyX: 692

public sociotype votes

(19/09/30 14:18) Phantom: SLE

(20/04/02 17:13) Tman: SLE

(19/05/29 06:56) fg: SLE

public psychosophy votes

(19/11/26 18:48) Tman: VLFE

(19/11/02 15:52) fg: VLFE

public hexaco votes

tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI

MBTI really is Pusdo seince, so saying they have sensor bias isn't gunna cut it. It's not empericly mesurible, as people often get difrent types based on there test (see artical bellow.) This is part of the reason why I don't care if my vote is "right" about MBTI (despite being a self proclaimed 5), becuse it's not a real seintific typoligy. I tend to have higher standereds of evidince for more "live" thoeres. Enngram is very hepfull to a lot of people, but I'm unsure of it's validty (see second link.) As for ecnncomis, it's never claimed to be based in nature, so isn't it more "not seince" then "pusdo seince?"

http://indiana.edu/~jobtalk/Articles/develop/mbti.pdf

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07481756.2004.11909744

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2019-07-29 05:50:23pm (post #6733)

jt ISFJ 1 <3 fg
<3 fg

Continued why psychology, sociology, eocnomics are pesudosciences

Also psychology does a horrible job at identifying people with primary psychopathy, because sensors often dominate the profession. Often certain authors written books in psychopathy at least have a clue. Not nly that, but if the research sample is (bias is bad reason, its simply the locations of the research and avialable participant) rather limited. Whats worse is the types of questions they are asking (on a big picture level)

Because of these types of questions, they (psychology, sociology) resort to something else entirely, making money out of complaints of parents instead (excluding certain branches - such as Industrial and organizational psychology). I think Stefan Molyneux did an interview with Faye Synder on this on youtube. However, they were not able to figure out how to prevent it (where an INFJ or INTJ would), only identfiying the issue.

Economics fails to address something important: the psychology of money. Its also a pseudoscience in regard, its focus is on analyzing trends in consumer and producer. It fails to be scentific, since the realm of economy is based on people, it could be objective in data collecting, but the metrics used to measure (what is measured, really?).

I didn't answer entirely why its a pseduoscience, but perhaps only asking the questions first.

See the pdf https://media.evolveconsciousness.org/books/consciousness/2012-Trivium-Study-Guide-Version-2-Edited-by-Tony-Myers.pdf page 50 (read other pages if you have time to waste)

Image for lazy people

https://i.imgur.com/vSjE8rz.png

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2019-07-29 10:45:50am (post #6730)

jt ISFJ 1 <3 fg
<3 fg

The reason I defend my position of psychology, sociology, economics as pseudosciences is because oftentimes many professors, graduate students, and undergraduate students rely on logical fallacies if proven wrong if using BOTH facts, arguments, AND hunch (big picture argument). It was nice that someone on the Internet realized this too.

It was odd that economics was lumped as well, but then again, economists have scammed many people in America leading to 2000 y2k, 2008 Housing Bubble, and 2020+

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2019-07-26 10:51:04pm (post #6717)

fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST

i am not surprise that someone like you defend this kind of opinion about sociology, economics and psychology. but it can be easily debunked. The empirical method of physics can be used in many case by psychology and sociology. Milgram's experience and Emanuel Todd's family system can be quoted as example. Some that don't use the Hypothetico-deductive model of Claude Bernard and prefer qualitative method over quantitative one have epistemological rational reason to do it, humans have reasons to act while the physical world only have cause. The complexity of the social life that is often quoted to say that it can't be analyzed by science, is very comparable to biological organism (like explained George Canquilhem). they both have holistic operation. when a part of an organism is cuted of the rest another part of the organism have to play the role of the former organ of the body.

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2019-07-11 06:28:52am (post #6632)

jt ISFJ 1 <3 fg
<3 fg

Psychology ... lets see some upper division course descriptions. It seems legitimate. However, the pdf https://media.evolveconsciousness.org/books/consciousness/2012-Trivium-Study-Guide-Version-2-Edited-by-Tony-Myers.pdf doesn't explain why its a pseduoscience. All I remember is from a few youtube comments in a few of TheLogicJunkie's videos that the psychology courses are about political correctness.

From reading Lloyd Demause I would describe it (the poltiical indoctrination) as weeding people out that have lower/inferior psychoclasses but somehow still manages to do well in high school or community college enough to get admitted to college. (See flipside sakinorva, I typed a few of the psychoclasses).

http://www.washington.edu/students/crscat/psych.html

(500-599 is Graduate level)

Psychology involves measuring and interacting with people. Which means if there is misconduct such as racism or bullying involved from the researchers, they can interpret it as "data" to be collected by research findings. With science you are objectiviely measuring something with a tool that can record objective things. However even natural science is subject to corruption

Philosophy is different: its about reassessing your own life, the subject is like a invisible life coach, in a way. At least in philosophy there are literal logic courses.

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2019-07-11 05:04:22am (post #6631)

tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI

Physcolgy ues the sceitfic method and is therfore a sience. Stuf like econcomics is so far away form seince (the study of the natural world) as to be unralted. They have a complet difrnce in skillset, methdolgy, and feild of study.

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2019-07-11 01:23:50am (post #6629)

jt ISFJ 1 <3 fg
<3 fg

Psychology, economics, and social sciences are psuedosciences

https://media.evolveconsciousness.org/books/consciousness/2012-Trivium-Study-Guide-Version-2-Edited-by-Tony-Myers.pdf page 50

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2019-07-11 12:39:40am (post #6628)

LadyX intp 5

Good question. After seeing everyone else's votes, I realized that this probably was meant as typing the "framework" of Communism, as seen in Eastern Europe.

I left my vote as INFP, which describes the type of people who might be able to fulfill the ideals of Communism, though leadership roles may still need to be filled by other types.

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2019-03-19 12:51:30am (post #5639)

LadyX intp 5

I understand the NTJ votes as relating to the "communist regimes" we have known in real life, as well as the Karl Marx typing.

My vote of INFP is to indicate the type of people who could actually produce communal ideals in a utopian community.

"Jill Stein, Green (INFP)

Private, creative and public-spirited, INFPs are driven by strong inner values and the desire to work for the greater good. Unshakeably optimistic, they lead with the notion that the world is fair and just. This overt idealism means they don't handle reality very well, and may get worked up when the facts prove them wrong. As leaders, they’re characterized by their ability to go all in. Expect noble service.

Famous INFP leaders: None. They write pretty mean books, though."

(from https://www.truity.com/blog/personality-types-presidential-candidates)

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2019-02-10 11:45:04pm (post #5244)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

I'll ignore that no one has ever said that or would ever say that about INFPs even as an archetype but a summary of the mbti manual says this about INFPs:

Most important feature of an ideal job: creativity, and originality.

In national sample, among top 4 types in valuing “autonomy” and “creativity”.

Ranks higher on CPI scales of flexibility, achievement via independence and lower on scales of dominance, sociability, social presence, and self-control.

sure are quite the bunch of collectivists

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2019-02-09 01:31:56pm (post #5230)

LadyX intp 5

The INFP correlation - the type that is most trusting that collectivism and abandonment of materialism is the best pathway.

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2019-02-09 01:14:57pm (post #5225)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

something tells me that 5s having avarice as their main vice wouldn't be too fond of communism either

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2019-02-09 01:01:10pm (post #5219)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

the most libertarian borderline anarchist type is grouped with nazism and fascism.... who's this expert

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2019-02-09 12:56:52pm (post #5218)

LadyX intp 5

Here's the experts' view

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7f/2b/ae/7f2bae0205640c2f6119f0f468835bf3--cognitive-personality-types.jpg

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2019-02-09 12:46:15pm (post #5215)

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