I did say fears AND motives. Plenty of people fear being unloved but not many will try their hardest to be lovable which is the 2's motive.

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The 1 not idenifiying as a indigo child has to do with motives and fears because they want to be right and fear being corrupt. They would be wary to identify as something that suggests that they have special powers but like I said I assumed it was something like an empath or psychic due to the inaccurate breakdown of it.

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You can check for motives by showing people a list of the motives and them picking which is the most true for them. Actions is a bad way to type someone because gender also has a big part to play on why a 2 male may not act like a 2 female for example.

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Nope. You can't base it on their actions because that will lead to a lot of mistyping as if there aren't already enough. 

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Calm down. I was typing based on the photo like most people do.

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I didn't compare sensor 6s to intuitive 6s, they are still intuitive after all and I mentioned that.

"How people act has nothing to do with enneagram. It is based on motives and fears not behaviour. "

How are we supposed to check for motives and fears if we cannot base it out of actions?

I can tell you my biggest fear is being unloved, CASE SOLVED 2WX

This is the thing, it is all a system for what causes behaviour, think of it as like, the code for a program, but it is closed sourced.

I think you are biased agaisn't behaviour and traits, but that is all there is after all, one can say anything but what really makes it true that one person has an enneagram is how that person acts in correlation to their fear, one can just lie, not saying one cannot fake behaviour but that act itself could show that that person cares about how other people see said person and then you can deduce it can be like a 4 wanting a personality and etc.

But even then, your argument has its base on actions.

"I could see 1w9 but I just think that a 9w1 is more likely to identify as an indigo child. I haven't come across any 1w9 INFJs so mabye they are really zany."

What does that have to do with their motives and fears? I don't think we can deduce any fear out of that description, so we can only work with actions, and actions are what makes one have their fears too, and actions are what composes behaviour.

Also really? never seen a 1w9 INFJ? really? it is extremely common.

"Well what an actual indigo child is and how it is described here don't add up. I could see a 4w3 as being more of the indigo child alley."

Good thing then! I don't know what an "actual" indigo child is so I will keep my vote because I will not research about it because of a vote and I also have no personal interest in it.

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Well what an actual indigo child is and how it is described here don't add up. I could see a 4w3 as being more of the indigo child alley. 

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I could see 1w9 but I just think that a 9w1 is more likely to identify as an indigo child. I haven't come across any 1w9 INFJs so mabye they are really zany.

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How people act has nothing to do with enneagram. It is based on motives and fears not behaviour. 

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I agree with try a new thing but explore a idea deeply isn't true. Intuitive 6s aren't going to the same as sensor 6s.

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A enneagram 6 would be less intuitive because of the way he prefers to - and most likely does - act.

So this is a thing you don't seem to think about, how people act.

A 6 is less likely to try out a new thing, explore a idea deeply, they want safety, routine, 6s don't like doubts, it makes them anxious, and intuition tends to achieve that many times, the "what if" and that "what if" you might not be able to answer, while a 4w5 wants to be different, unique, have a personality and a identity, and to do that, creavity is most commonly used, "I will do what others don't so I am different and thus unique", solves the problem, also emotions tend to achieve irrational results and irrational results tend to be more creative since they are not limited to the rules of reality or logic many times.

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I'm not Teru (whoever that is) I just came across this site because of the popular test that you have going on. I guess I shouldn't have bothered.

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Why would a 6 be less intutiive? These stereotypes are limiting. Intutiives all have the same cognitive functions even if they are another enneagram type.

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I'm not calling you a 6 to say you suck like most people do but because your paranoia is off the charts and you seem more super ego than ego.

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You sure as hell act like a mod then. Who made you boss?

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You clearly just have an issue with me because Kawaii is constantly argumentative but you don't call him out.

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I knew that was coming, vote 6 on me, exactly the same that happened with strawberry crisis, well, good! I am a 6 guys!

As I can edit messages, the thing with Kawaii is that sometimes I agree with him, the SEI being IxxP in socionics and that being uncommon for ISFJs is valid, well time to stop throwing wood at the fire, nice use of fallacies though.

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LOOOOL someone is triggered. You're definitely a 6 not a 5. Paranoid af.

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So this is the last time I will reply to you.

First may I mention you're P as fuck, also clearly not ENTJ etc and for some reason I think you're Teru but then I don't know why he has not been active or something same for tman or something but then ok I don't fucking know shit about this website and history.

The best and most common method that 4s use to find an identity is creativity, art by 4s tends to be creative, different, innovative, and by that I mean healthy 4s, I mean the Enneagram Institute even mentions exactly that:

"Key Motivations: Want to express themselves and their individuality, to create and surround themselves with beauty, to maintain certain moods and feelings, to withdraw to protect their self-image, to take care of emotional needs before attending to anything else, to attract a "rescuer.""

That is obvious and indeed the main thing related to what I am saying is:

"Fours are self-aware, sensitive, and reserved. They are emotionally honest, creative, and personal, but can also be moody and self-conscious. Withholding themselves from others due to feeling vulnerable and defective, they can also feel disdainful and exempt from ordinary ways of living. They typically have problems with melancholy, self-indulgence, and self-pity. At their Best: inspired and highly creative, they are able to renew themselves and transform their experiences."

Going out of ordinary ways of living implies creativity, and of course the At their best thing etc.

And that is a common characteristic betwen 4s and just because the people that create something don't mention it, it does not mean it is false.

But well, even if we consider that point as going to you, it is not 9w1, you did not give any arguments agaisn't 1w9 over 9w1, and not really, take a INTJ 6w5, they are not intuitive, I mean of course they tend to be like LSI or something and etc overall less intuition in a general way, take a ENTJ too, they many times are not creative, 3w2s, 8w9s or 8w7s, 1w2s, the most creative types being INFPs, INTPs, ENTPs, ENFPs, they all tend to have some relation to enneagram 4 that is what can be considered a characteristic of 4s, I mean the most creative types are 5s and 7s and these are indeed related to it, but not sure if you remember, 4w5 so there is some 5 action there.

Also feelings tend to generate irrational behaviour that well, lacks logic, and things that lack logic tend to be more creative as there are less limits.

Well good thing! I am really triggered right now! I love how you did not reply to many of the other arguments made by me.

And that "Very unprofessional behaviour from a mod." is directed to me? I am not a mod, and who said I want to be professional? anyway this is going nowhere, you are not changing your opinion, I can change mine but it does not look like it is going to happen, all of the "debates" you've had on the website achieved nothings as this also will, enneagram has a "problem" with it not being centralized many times, definitions being different, and even tests giving different results for people, so I guess our sources are different or something, or what I mentioned before is true.

But anyway as I am triggered and unprofessional right now, I mean it is really annoying the fact you didn't edit your comments but that looks intentional, I really won't bother giving you attention because for sure that is what you want.

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Very unprofessional behaviour from a mod.

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My votes are often different because most here don't understand enneagram, simple. You seem triggered by the fact that 4s and 5s aren't special because of their motives.

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Being highly intuitive doesn't have anything to do with enneagram type. All intuitives of any enneagram type are highly intuitive. I don't know what is highly intuitive about being absorbed by your feelings.

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Type 4s seek an identity that isn't linked to creativity or all the other stuff that makes people want to keep identifying as the type.

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So your arguments are:

"9w1's do want to change the world and only 3 things on that list doesn't link to 9w1 while nothing on that list links to 4w5."

First, may I ask, how do you know that? so let's say they do, nothing of it correlates to 4w5? creativity? connection with nature and animals(I've seen that more in 4s but unsure and it is more related to functions), idealism(way more of a 1 trait, I've not seen many 9s as idealistic too), loner personality, highly intuitive, freethinking? old soul? what even does old soul mean?

But again I did not say 4w5 as the main type, just more accurate than 9w1, if not the same.

"Want and doing are two different things. The 9 gives into their sloth most of the time."

What sets ones personality, some 12 year old INFP kid who thinks some INTJ 8w9 dude from an anime is badass and then they want to be like him or how one actually acts and thinks?

And it does not talk about wanting, it talks about being, you'RE a change-making leader, it always uses YOU VERB, almost always are.

"Most 1w9s wouldn't be silly enough to call themselves indigo children."

A 4w5 easily would, and that ResoluteSoul dude who I think is an 1w2 literally voted Soul for his IDR vote, that has the same effect in my opinion, but this is not even an argument, I easily could see a INFJ or even INFP(I don't think this is the type but still) doing that, and even then, it is not one calling himself indigo children, it is just some random image made by some dude that tries to explain some random categorization of behaviour of some system or thing I've never heard of, it is external not internal, like I can call you Fluffy Bear and give like some random characteristics that fit, but if you truly are ENTJ 3w4 LIE you very likely wouldn't call yourself fluffy bear unless you're being ironic, you got it for sure.

"What INFP 9w1 is conformist? Stereotyping 9w1s as the ISFJ ones is limiting."

Who said INFP? You did, I did not vote for IDR and Kawaii also did not, it is a INFP general trait and the 9w1s are way more conformist than 4s or 5s while of course 6s is the most, but in that specific case I see as the 1 wing being strong as the person is a INFP, but the general 9w1 description, that would be for all possible types, imply some form of conformism, and most 9s are conformist, even INFPs, mostly in real life of course because internet requires less social skills and etc.

And you're assuming we are assuming 9w1s to ISFJs, unless someone made a comment earlier and deleted them, but that is very unlikely, and if you take a look at the polls for ISFJ, enneagram 6 is first, and then comes 2, and 9 as the least in the tritype, I personally see 2w1 as more common than 9w1 for ISFJs, but there are a ton of factors such as sociotype, I've seen SEIs, ESIs, EIIs, even IEIs for ISFJs by jungian functions and letters(0.25J still counts), and they all were really different, the SEI ones I've seen tend to be 9w1 indeed, but they also are conformist! too much of an empiric argument but still better than the ones you have made.

But I must agree stereotyping 9w1 with ISFJ is limiting but this is not the case, your function or enneagram votes are not public, at least at the moment as you can change that, if you did do them and you're not assuming I or Kawaii made it, or another person which is very likely.

Also just one thing, can you edit your comments instead of commenting more? it is annoying as fuck in my opinion.

But I don't think you are changing your mind - not to offend you or anything - as I've seen based on your behaviour on this website, and I won't lie that is not much of a problem your opinion can be different from mine, but it looks like you just want conflict or some form of debate or something in this website and that is why you tend to make your votes different from the vast majority sometimes.

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What INFP 9w1 is conformist? Stereotyping 9w1s as the ISFJ ones is limiting.

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Most 1w9s wouldn't be silly enough to call themselves indigo children.

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Want and doing are two different things. The 9 gives into their sloth most of the time.

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9w1's do want to change the world and only 3 things on that list doesn't link to 9w1 while nothing on that list links to 4w5.

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>strong willed

>nonconformist

>wants to change the world

>change-making leader

>9w1

1w9 or maybe even 1w2 are way more accurate than 9w1, and I would put a 4 in the tritype.

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Literally nothing on that list points to 4w5.

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