He's not realy a "stratgist" as much as an anlzer. He takes in data and trys to fit it into a framwork. In terms of letters, it could go either way, in terms of fuctions, he undooublty has Si-Ne. Haveing a masive database of facts and statistics in his head, which he then uses to consider larger posiblitlys, and fit the wolrd into a larger framework.

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A vast majority of people who vote him S are doing so because it's stereotypical for S-types, especially SJs to be conservative.  Behind his bullshit mask of being this morally-upright and intellectual conservative, the man is clearly N given his proclivity for strategy and calculation especially as it pertains to said image.  He's in all likelihood an ENTJ.  In fact, I could even see arguments for ENFJ, but the former is much more likely.

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hey im gonna present an idea here might seem kinda extreme but idk: commenting on someone's page doesn't mean i want to suck their circumcised cock or like those people, dont know how many times I've said this off this site: shapiro is a clown, just not an entertaining one, you couldn't even walk when I was born and try to be a lot more edgy and contrarian, stop w/ the strawmans

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Teru Mikami i will sound extremly infantalizing and arrogant to you but i think you might think about this if you have grown up in few years. Ben Shapiro like most known conservative polemist is just a showman and certainly not a thinker in anyway. if you look carefully at his words in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmxZ6AG_k6k , you can see a lot of abusive generalisation, caricature of an ennemy who is a catalyst of one liner, his comparison are obviously bullshit. he behave like an humorist but lack of rigor. for example his comparison between gay mariage and buisness don't work, there is a case with a strong difference of strengh rapport in one and a real mutual consent in another case. a comparison between a "heart" who would be leftist and a "head" who would be rightist is a childish reasoning who is a clear manipulation to make you think that it's a reasoning that came from reason while it is a reasoning that come from a negative affects, but that remain an affect, actually the far Right work on the internet because this public is full of teen like you who want to look more mature and edgy but are unable to discern negative affect and reason.

P.M those use of people's paranoia and convincing of the public that they are becoming more adult while being manipulated is the same way that use neo-feminist when they want to "open the eyes" of women with  demagogic matrix comparison .

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to add to that: anyone in debate uses rhetoric to some extent, doesn't matter if he's "so obviously wrong" and "knows what he's doing", using "facts and logic" is a lot more subtle [and boring] than milo saying he can't be wrong cause he's gay and has black boyfriends

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I know socionists used societal roles to present the types, but there is documentation around ways of thinking and their preferences that I don't want to ignore because they don't fit his particular "role". Even using that point of view, I think the way he collects statistics and facts and presents himself as a walking encyclopedia of counter-arguments is very different from e.g. the "entertaining front" of Milo, who uses his sexuality, humour and wit for the same ends, trying to piss people off and rarely entering a genuine argument when the spotlight's aimed at him. Any popular, mainstream figure is bound to adopt some kind of entertaining role, and while Ben has definitely pushed that over the years, I don't think he centers himself around humour or "his wits" often enough to make a case for that. When both Alex Jones and PJW are trying to do the same thing to an even greater extent, I think being funny on the internet is more of an effort to secure an audience than a genuine preference for an entertaining environment. 

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Okay... why should he be a 1? And an S? I read through the replies here and I really like the ESE argument... the way lvna characterizes him is painfully accurate, and he should belong under ESE for those reasons. LSE is just... off. That’s like playing into his facade. Shapiro isn’t about the facts, but about the narrative. His “debating” isn’t about exposing people or debunking their ideas, but about looking like he’s winning—it’s about getting people to see him and his reactionary nonsense as correct, not actually being correct. Maybe from some perspective this may look like “left-wing bias” distorting the character of an honorable man speaking the truth that they don’t want you to hear, but Shapiro knows exactly what he’s doing, and so goes for many other similar conservative commentators.

I guess he wouldn’t seem like an intuitive if you took what he said at face value, but his modus operandi is just not very S to begin with. The specific tactics he uses to convince people are really covert in a way that I could not see a senser using comfortably. And everything surrounding that as well—it’s all very smart and deliberate.

This argument is really misled: You can argue "he's just an entertaining front" for the modern right but pasting that on a sociotype is some serious elitism and has absolutely no grounding in reality.

It has a lot of grounding in reality, especially when you look at how socionists have historically used and continue to use Socionics. There’s an entire culture surrounding Socionics that is predicated upon typing people by the roles they assume in society, and it happens to be the original, Russian way of looking at it. The new culture surrounding sociotype largely ignores the basis for what makes it such a unique (and interesting) typology system and is unfortunately influenced heavily by people wanting to fit what they are already familiar with into something that simultaneously happens to be anything unlike what they are already familiar with.

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[Laughs in Jewish]

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ah-HaR ah-HaR  ah-HaaaaaaaaaaR

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Ben “my wife’s a doctor” Shapiro.

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Wrong once again Mr. Mikami. You can now exit the stage.

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you people think you're funny or something

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It appears Mr Mikami has been unable to relinquish his unfounded bias against logical positions and has succumbed to petty appeals to Se.  Let me be the first, Teru, to assume the assumed position you hold of the one I hold of the one LUVA hold's of the one you hold is ASSUMED.  Therefore your assumption of the assumed position of LVNA having any brain scans cannot be relevant, nor would any physical evidence be needed in such a deduction to claim it as observable. 

If you can't yourself handle a slight disconnection from reality, don't try to fight it.  Stay on the ground where your logic can look at the dirt as proof you have any standing to base your claims on.

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Since you're so adament on orbiting the acclaimed genius Stratiyevskaya, I found a little something you might not be very found of reading (literally the only thing relevant to his type on this entire page)

Anyways, is it just me or are you assuming positions I don't even hold (let me guess, because of my quadra?) and trying to make yourself as abstract as possible simply to piss me off? I mean how is globalism relevant? What do I care about genetics or brain scans? Do you have Shapiro's brain scans? Did I ever say I don't think there's a genetic or observable basis to personality(??)? How can you tell so surely what he does and why he does it when you claim to not even be sticking to evidence? Do you even know this dude? I guess I'm just wrong because I make sense (????)

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"According to almost every profile and description the ESE's base Fe caters to emotional needs and the surrounding atmosphere, tries to have as many relationships with people as possible and looks for vivid emotional expression and exchange." Do you really think (or MAYBE you feel) I care about what the idiotic American masses have done to the Neo-Hegelian - Jungian theory of functions? In fact this is just a vile demonstration of a BEHAVIORIST perspective that weaponizes the archetypal by claiming it can only be abstracted AFTER dichotomistic and empirical analyses of someone's behavioral response to situations is performed by means of an online test.  In fact, however, the spiritual significance of socionics is that it goes to the level of the empirical only after defining well the abstract paradigms of thought that categorize INDELIBLE archetypes who represent a culmination of the European spirit of Gods, first through thought in which they could not be spoken directly of, then through Christian theologizing, and finally representing themselves in new abstracted forms which are the Jungian Cognitive Functions.  Therefore, PLEASE NoTe that if you have a lustful temptation to go by means of empirical analysis for functions, you are destroying the concept of COgnitive Functions from the outset.  This is comparable to speaking to a grandmother of Native American heritage using a European language and expecting her to conform, and then additionally not even realizing she responds with an alienated emotion because you have so much succumbed to the perspective bequeathed unto you by your native tongue.  To continue with my points...

What Quadra represents is a spirit (essential) culmination of opposites within the human psyche and therefore the images it engenders must be ones that are like paintings in one's mind.  However, it must be noted that these paintings are more like melting wax paintings, as towards the edges of each quadra the next quadra arises and as such there can be some grey zones.  When we look into Alpha quadra and think of the unification of these opposites the images that resound through the darkness are: freedom of the individual, a strong mind who focuses uncompromisingly on principles, a will unto the possibility of defining human life in reference to human truth that casually and calmly gives way to more freedom.  If you do not see this culmination of spirit within Shapiro, I really can't help you...but do you really think you would salivate at the mouth to someone who does not occupy your Quadra TerúMika? The fact of the matter is it is very likely that within you there have been engendered specific brain patterns correlated with functions...did you know once upon a time none other than Carl Jung made a magnificent discovery: there were many cultures who had correlated these intuitional functions with cardinal directions in the world.  

Based on this occurence it's not difficult to understand that a principle of nature is that the external mirrors the internal.  One of the greatest socionists of today, Vera Stratievskaya, has done marvellous work on demonstrating that functions may represent themselves within the brain of a person.  In a sense, this means that even if there is no genetic basis for a person's type (something a behaviorist like yourself might love to argue), that patterns of thought which exist in opposites are unavoidably going to be greased each time the one is used.  Ben Shapiro is no exception to this fact...as stated above, by going from the level of the Fe-Ti archetypal relation, we can see that this thought pattern is one that is greased within his brain...so the more that he pays homage to the one side, the more the other will rise up within his psyche.  This is really a non-negotiable FACT (REMEMBER THE QUOTE YOU POSTED EARLIER??).

The sad thing, though, is that simply because socionics presents this perspective where we are able to understand the ways that these cardinal opoosites get summed into the world of the idealistic and spiritual of humanity, we currently live in an era in which it is simply impossible to not be psychologically disturbed.  In the old days it was very easy to simply pray to an opposing deity, and the result of this would be a psychological unification, but as we see the functions expressed in many different cultures, we can understand the legacy of European thought and globalism is one that has destroyed the mystical and therefore left us with the most generalized aspect of spirit to be encountered in humanity.  And unfortunately society's rampant individualism therefore leads someone to bow to the alters of the functions within same quadra individuals, resulting in Duality.  With Shapiro we see this quite obviously. His adoring of Ti dominant figures represents his desire to unify himself with the Ti thought pattern that is so strong within his mind, but that ultimately is underdeveloped because of his dominant Extroverted Ethics.  The sad thing is that it is likely this individualistic philosophy, in which dichotomy's are attempted to be united within the individual that has led to his horrendous introverted thinking GRIP.  A perfect example of this espoused by Jung himself can be seen with none other than Sigmund Freud, who spent his entire life in an extroverted thinking grip. And here is where we return to these descriptions of Fe. 

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The description you mention is perhaps the ideal extroverted ethics user.  This is someone who has accepted their dominant function and has found introverted thinking elsewhere to confirm the idealism of the Alpha quadra which seeks to slowly unfurl its expansion of the generalized, globalized human spirit (Hegel for example was LII, Jung was LII, all of this should be quite obvious therefore).  This is where the Hegelian Spirit meets the Tarkovskyian Spirit within typology...because the Hegelian socionics shows us the way to peace within ourselves. I am incredibly confident that if Shapiro did not waste his time trying to become such a Ti individual and to fixate on socionics Ti he would live a happy and peaceful existence where he shared in delightful emotions with others.  But he is a product of the time, and because of that he fixates on the Ti opinions of others as Bertrand from the16types mentioned.  I really see no other possibility than ESE here...if you did fMRI studies on him I'm sure the same thing would be revealed in regards to the Te-Fi axis.  Below I have linked some reading for you: 

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/content.php/461-The-Laws-of-Quadra-Succession-by-Vera-Stratiyevskaya (This is the must read of socionics today). 

https://www.idrlabs.com/articles/2012/12/jung-identified-freud-as-both-estj-and-infp/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPgnzY_63Tw

Thank you. <3

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According to almost every profile and description the ESE's base Fe caters to emotional needs and the surrounding atmosphere, tries to have as many relationships with people as possible and looks for vivid emotional expression and exchange. Say what you want but none of that fits Ben, in fact his career is founded against the premise of catering to people's feelings. You can argue "he's just an entertaining front" for the modern right but pasting that on a sociotype is some serious elitism and has absolutely no grounding in reality. Whoever you quoted didn't "sum it up" at all and if you've spent any time in the typology community you should know that these people will do anything as long as it deviates from what's actually written and means they can misrepresent people and types they don't like with their own mental gymnastics and that's the only thing that argument did. The entire premise is that ESEs are spineless, manipulative circus monkeys who can't think for themselves, how do you take these people seriously?

Forgetting all the bias that's going on, how Ben presents himself is in complete conflict with what Fe is about at its core, and that really isn't hard to notice. 

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I don't really have the stamina to cater to this, so I found a quote on the16types that sums it up. But honestly nice logical manipulation...causally, I definitely distort my perception of his ideas because I dislike him, not vice versa. Great point. 

"This is exactly right; he doesn’t have an original thought in his body; rather, he’s an ideological spokesperson for the whatever-you-want-to-call-whatever-movement-this-is. He’s like the human version of those dinosaurs that can puff out those colorful frills and then you realize they’re tiny and have nothing to actually say. He’s like what Tom Cruise is to L. Ron, except his L. Ron is whatever conservative political figure he encountered at the formative age of 13 when he realized he could impress people, and thereby feel a sense of contribution, via his forceful parroting of the cause.

You can tell this an alpha form of Fe because of its obvious character of holding “public executions.” Its his way of enforcing and taking on the offense the underlying Ti constructions generated by the relatively invisible and retiring LIIs and ILEs who provided for him all his underlying premises (which were likely in turn generated by beta far upstream). Because of their general cloisteredness, especially in comparison to such a self-promoting figure, people make the mistake of thinking these thoughts are his own.  

Generally ESEs are most productive in entertainment, so it would be tempting to think maybe he’s wasting his talent. Then you realize the youtube/foxnews/facebook/podcast sphere of political discourse is precisely that. Its “politics” in the sense that its “political debate,” which is really just theatre, served up to reinforce psychological perspectives by restating what everyone already believes (+Fe), but in a way that obscures the fundamentally unoriginal, and empty, character of the thing (Ni polr) and emphasizes convincing delivery (+Fe -Si) in response to the collective discomfort such perspectives have recently had to endure, so as to promote comfort in their cultural bubble 

His entire spiel is just a gish gallop of talking points in a forum where such a thing has maximum impact and minimal chance of recalcitrance on the merits, which would require a slow and careful analysis rooted in intellectual charity and rigor and not what essentially amounts to a circus… bread and circuses"

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yeah okay, get off your conceptual high horse and explain how he's Fe outside of the fact that you obviously don't like him (weren't you the kid who was going on about how he's a 3 because he DISTORTS FACTS which obviously has everything to do with being a 3 and is not your own emotional rhetoric meant to paint him as every negative trait you can get your hands on), you're distorting him to be something he's absolutely not

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Thank you. What a great encapsulation of emotionally charged rhetoric geared at stirring the masses up that has absolutely no meaning behind it, or if it does have one, is a principle the speaker doesn’t even obey. In socionics terms it’s really quite clear he’s Fe-Ti and that was a great quote.  

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yeah definitely feeling ESE for Ben "Facts don't care about your feelings" Shapiro, typing by quadras is a great method

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"Delta quadra af." There's really nothing socionics Te about this guy.  He is whiny and motivates individuals through emotional rhetoric.  His ideas are actually bound up in a sort of Alpha idealism where he is guided by certain "American Principles" if you really want to get into quadra. He isn't focused on down to earth, small comunity matters where his actions show him to be a champion of the people, which is really what the LSE stereotype is a la Mitt Romney. ESE for sure. 

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delta quadra af

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lol

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