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public myers-briggs votes | (21/07/28 20:21) Flower-like: ENTJ |
(20/07/29 12:01) bibliology: ENTJ |
(20/05/01 21:45) tch: ETJ |
(20/05/01 19:06) KashifIrfanBhatti: INTJ |
(20/05/01 02:35) Thyssen: INTJ |
(20/04/30 23:00) LadyX: ESTJ |
(21/07/30 10:37) Tman: ENT |
public function votes | (21/07/28 20:24) Flower-like: ENTJ |
(20/05/01 21:45) tch: ENTJ |
(20/05/01 19:07) fleetingpetals1: INTJ |
(20/05/01 19:06) KashifIrfanBhatti: INTJ |
(22/03/05 17:52) Tman: ENTJ |
(20/05/01 02:35) Thyssen: INTJ |
public enneagram votes | (21/07/28 15:33) Flower-like: 5w6 |
(20/05/01 21:46) tch: 3w4 |
(20/05/01 19:06) KashifIrfanBhatti: 5w6 |
(20/05/01 15:37) strawberry crisis: 3w4 |
(20/04/30 23:00) LadyX: 3w4 |
(21/07/28 12:51) Tman: 3w4 |
public instinctual variant votes | (21/07/28 15:33) Flower-like: sp/so |
(20/04/30 23:00) LadyX: sp/so |
(20/04/30 14:40) Tman: sp/so |
public tritype® votes | (21/07/28 12:51) Tman: 351 |
(20/05/01 21:46) tch: 351 |
(20/05/01 19:06) KashifIrfanBhatti: 531 |
(20/05/01 02:35) Thyssen: 531 |
(20/04/30 23:00) LadyX: 371 |
public sociotype votes | (21/07/28 15:33) Flower-like: LIE |
(20/07/20 21:58) ethan: LIE |
(20/05/01 19:07) fleetingpetals1: LIE |
(20/05/01 19:06) KashifIrfanBhatti: LIE |
(20/05/01 02:35) Thyssen: LIE |
(20/05/01 12:07) Tman: LIE |
public psychosophy votes | (20/05/01 19:07) fleetingpetals1: LVFE |
(20/05/01 02:35) Thyssen: LVFE |
(20/05/06 10:49) Tman: LVFE |
public hexaco votes |
strawberry crisis enfp 7 ![]() ![]() 2020-05-06 05:13:34pm (post #8184) |
strawberry crisis enfp 7 ![]() ![]() 2020-05-06 04:57:39pm (post #8182) |
strawberry crisis enfp 7 ![]() Anyway, I wanted to respond to you because I wanted to offer you a fun way of looking at things like the original issue: people leaving behind nuance and reasoning and instead only identifying their colors to other people. These social dynamics help nobody but people who can make use of that fact—developing consumer demographics by manufacturing alignments through gamifying interaction to create teams and validation bubbles is the perfect way for people with access to websites that people like to visit to profit. Generating widespread engagement is the ideal way of expanding your market demographic and hosting it in such a way where teams are what drive social dynamics are in incredibly convenient way of organizing that engagement. And social dynamics don't have to be that way. If I wanted to, I could manufacture conditions to turn this website into a niche that caters to very specific audience; if I wanted to, I could manufacture conditions to open the website up to bigger number of people. One of these options generates more market power. How I care about the website may as well be driven by how I treat these market demographics, and the distance I maintain from those demographics is perhaps what determines where I exist within the market-product-consumer relationship: my power within the market, over my product, and over the consumers. No matter what we say about my individual power in this relationship, I will always be limited by the inherent subjugation created by market forces that urge me to respond to issues with an incentive I never asked for—this is the erasure of choice, both for me and the consumer. ![]() 2020-05-06 01:48:27pm (post #8180) |
Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE![]() This poor page has had enough of our arguing. Move it somewhere else. ![]() 2020-05-02 08:28:44pm (post #8168) |
Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI![]() 2020-05-02 08:20:02pm (post #8167) |
Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI![]() 2020-05-02 08:13:07pm (post #8166) |
Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 1: First, you seem to be conflating bad typist with someone. Unless I've misunderstood you've done this several times in the past. Why dose the fact that someone is ignorant about one topic, like MBTI, make them a moron. 2: My second question then is this, how am I supposed to know what votes need explanation at which ones don't? Everyone's views seem obvious to them until there confronted on it, and even then, I do have other things that need to get done. I don't think it's fair to expect me to spend all my mental energy arguing about personality theory on the internet. I'm asking genuinely, this a problem I've been thinking about. I do honestly want to keep talking to you, even though you do tend to be a little exhausting, your someone who always tries to figure why people think the way they do, even when you think there stupid. 3: My last question concerns what you said about how I think about my definitions cognitive functions. I did say I was going to answer that question, in fact I said I would get back to you a couple months ago. I thought I would have a gap of time when I wasn't busy, but I was wrong, and so then I went back to my regularly scheduled busyness. I can't guarantee for sure I'll have the time or energy to write, but if I do, it I would probably have to put aside some time to work out how to say what I want to say, and then write what I basically estimate would be a very small essay on the subject. I would try and make it as comprehensible as possible, but people sometimes have trouble understanding what I mean to say, admittedly I'm a fair bit lazzier online then I would be on a paper, but still. I guess what I'm really trying to ask is this, are you really that interested in hearing what someone who you view as an imbecile has to say? I'd be will to do my best to write it if that's really something you would want to read, but I wouldn't blame you if you weren't that interested. ![]() 2020-05-02 08:10:12pm (post #8165) |
Fuzzy ![]() ![]() 2020-05-02 05:22:35pm (post #8164) |
Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE![]() ![]() 2020-05-02 04:17:48pm (post #8162) |
Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI PHSC seconds earlier: All functions votes on your page don't count, because the people who made them are all stupid! ![]() 2020-05-02 03:35:12pm (post #8160) |
Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI![]() 2020-05-02 02:39:37pm (post #8159) |
Fuzzy ![]() ![]() 2020-05-01 07:34:19pm (post #8156) |
fleetingpetals1 INFP 6w5 sp/sx EII LEFV![]() ![]() 2020-05-01 06:51:07pm (post #8154) |
strawberry crisis enfp 7 ![]() You really do not understand my points either because I agree with the "concentrated power" part, it's just that some things are really, really hard to change." This only demonstrates that you don't understand what concentrated power looks like. "One wrong move and you lose all of your advantage" does not change that corporate influence as it exists with its affect on the world will always dictate its choices to you while pretending they work for you, and that your ability as an individual to demand other "choices" is incredibly limited. It's fantasy. Like, are you seriously going to tell me that the health care crisis in the US doesn't exist because of the might of an industry that has willfully gone unchecked? ![]() 2020-05-01 06:27:29pm (post #8153) |
strawberry crisis enfp 7 ![]() You can now! ![]() 2020-05-01 06:10:59pm (post #8151) |
Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE![]() ![]() 2020-05-01 06:01:28pm (post #8150) |
Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE![]() ![]() 2020-05-01 05:44:56pm (post #8147) |
strawberry crisis enfp 7 ![]() Reddit is probably among the worst sites for real discussion but I don't really want to get into it. I see typology communities just as "not exempt from the rule." > What you say about the internet is a thing I disagree tho, that is what the very popular internet is, you can use DuckDuckGo, Tor, whatever, maybe even create your own stuff, and social media is pretty easy to escape, I can use myself as an example, the only one I have (other than to quickly register/log-in some websites with like Facebook or Twitter which sometimes are required) is LinkedIn for obvious reasons. No, you're ignoring the larger dynamic here, which is what I'm pointing at. You as an individual may be able to escape, but what are the people doing? Where does the average person go when they're on the Internet? And don't forget how the culture web can still wrap you into those things even if you personally don't interact with social media... And yes, I'm not going to respond to the section about evil corporations because I fundamentally don't think you understand what my argument is and I frankly don't think you'll come to understand it if we spent days going back and forth on it. But the point isn't "evil corporations"—it's "concentrated power and systems that support a hierarchy of power that concentrates power are unjust and must be reevaluated." > I also think that for short-term transhumanism 3w4 makes sense and 3w4s are also likely to like it but the more long-term oriented and like the theory behind such ideas and like singularity, reductionism, artificial inteligence […] While the underlying "theory" or whatever works as the backbone for transhumanism may be 5, the idea of working toward the goal of Technological Progress through human-machine integration falls in line with the higher-and-higher mechanism of type 3. If the meaning is 3 but may use 5 means to get there, I still see it as 3. ![]() 2020-05-01 04:39:31pm (post #8145) |
Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI "it is probably the idea with the most potential out of all ideas, this and machine learning are the human ideas that have the most potential I believe, both negative and positive." I agree wholeheartedly. I only think that people tend to either focus on one extreme to the exclusion of the other, ethier claiming transhumanism will solve all our ill's while ignoring the thousands of ways it could go wrong, or else condemning it as a new form of black magic, and claiming to know with certainty that it will bring the end of days. ![]() 2020-05-01 04:37:26pm (post #8144) |
strawberry crisis enfp 7 ![]() It's more of a Modern Internet phenomenon than anything else. Online interaction in this era has largely become about distinguishing ourselves on the basis of our supposedly rudimentary values for the sake of finding "our people" or "our side." It doesn't seem to matter why we choose the "side" we do, but that we are on that side. It's a way of communicating that allows us to understand things only in black, white, and a little bit of gray: "This is a good, bad, neutral, sort of okay, fine, etc. opinion." I am so not a fan. It's exactly what creates that dynamic in which motives become obfuscated and individual voices and the nuance they bring die out as they come to align with and serve a group-driven agenda that lacks the sanity necessary to keep its own power in check. But there is a lot more to this than just the poor communication of values & what drive them... because ultimately this mode of interaction only works as a way to find people with your values rather than a way to show people your values. But it should make intuitive sense why the Internet propagates this kind of behavior: people don't know each other online. It's why you'll notice people talking to one another personally (usually over a long period of time) won't do this kind of thing (but also—talking one-on-one effectively forces elaboration anyway). I also wonder how social media ties into it. The Internet at this point essentially is just Google and social media, which is driven by presenting-the-sides-I-belong-to communication and disseminates this attitude on a culture-sized scale. It's undoubtedly a big influence that's made it to typology websites, but I think the bigger story here is simply how much influence social media companies have as a result of having gamified human interaction in this way. In this vein of things, ideas like transhumanism all too much represent the "constant growth" mindset that can be associated with technological progress and its advocates... while turning a blind eye to the consequences of yearning for and working toward advancing along a path that we—humanity as a whole—aren't ready for and never will be unless lucidity begins to pervade society and we tackle ethical problems rooted in things like corporations abusing their ability to access this technology & bend it to their will, or technology limiting people's freedom to exist in a world not bound by technology growing faster than we can keep up with it (as a response). When people put their faith into ideas like this, they ignore the real world that will eventually have to come and act as its backdrop and context, and within it, there's absolutely no way that it could work without resembling the same evil that has the power to create the culture that drives why the heck people don't seem to like explaining why they believe in things! ![]() 2020-05-01 03:35:41pm (post #8141) |
Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE![]() ![]() 2020-05-01 02:21:29pm (post #8139) |
Tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI![]() 2020-05-01 11:54:51am (post #8135) |
Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE![]() ![]() 2020-05-01 10:37:39am (post #8134) |
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