Lewis Carroll ~ MBTI, Enneagram, and Socionics Personality Type

Lewis Carroll ~ MBTI, Enneagram, and Socionics Personality Type

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public myers-briggs votes

(25/08/22 00:28) nicotineseries: NJ

(20/12/13 19:07) Saturnian: INTP

(20/04/23 20:10) bibliology: INTP

(21/03/18 20:07) Tman: INTP

(19/01/21 23:26) Jacobus: INTP

public function votes

(25/07/01 08:30) nicotineseries: INTJ

(21/03/18 20:07) Tman: INTP

(20/12/13 19:07) Saturnian: INTP

(19/10/15 17:28) Phantom: INTP

public enneagram votes

(25/07/02 12:32) nicotineseries: 5w4

(21/03/18 19:44) Tman: 5w4

(20/12/13 19:07) Saturnian: 5w4

(19/01/27 13:02) Jacobus: 9w1

public instinctual variant votes

(25/08/22 00:28) nicotineseries: sp/so

(20/12/13 19:07) Saturnian: sp/sx

(19/01/21 23:29) Jacobus: so/sx

public tritype® votes

(25/07/26 15:18) nicotineseries: 549

(21/03/18 19:58) Tman: 549

(20/12/13 19:07) Saturnian: 549

public sociotype votes

(25/07/14 14:25) nicotineseries: LII

(21/03/18 20:08) Tman: LII

(20/12/13 19:07) Saturnian: ILI

(19/10/15 17:27) Phantom: LII

(19/01/21 23:28) Jacobus: LII

public psychosophy votes

(25/07/30 08:51) nicotineseries: VLEF

(19/10/15 17:29) Phantom: LEVF

public hexaco votes

nicotineseries IXFP 6w5, 649 IEI

So, I will start here.
People, especially when you voting this person as an NeTi? Function is just stupid. Mostly you just seen by the surface of this person entire personalities like "oh that guy is so suspicious about himself and contradicting himself and bla bla... and so on." People are complex, we never know about someone who are completely private about anything of his life and whatsoever it is, but please STOP this misunderstanding! I just can't keep this person misconceptions about anything he could done in his life. I read the biography and can you tell me where the reason for the Fe/Ti axis on him? No, right? There is no way that this person using Ne too, the reason is just he went into mysticism and mystical stuff is like, like an NI would do. For example, (Sir) Arthur Conan Doyle who are ESTP and INFJ like Carl Jung. They are using NI in the good function stacks, like Lewis Carroll too! This person using that. So, prove me this person are iNtuitive, especially as an XNTP. I will wait.

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2025-08-03 01:56:36am (post #10267)

My argument for IDRlabs to move Gwen Stefani to ESFP:

Extroverted Perception

Stefani: "In the beginning ... I didn't know what I was doing at all, and I still don't. I kinda just get up there [on stage] and just do whatever comes out."

Stefani: "Well, I think we didn't even realize that we were doing this. We just kinda got here and were like, 'okay, let's go.' It's kinda fun though when you don't really realize what you're doing sometimes."

Stefani: "Every night's different. You can't tell if it's gonna be a good show or a bad show. That's what's kind of exciting, I guess, about it. You never know, [you just] get up there and see what happens."

Stefani: "We're just trying to enjoy every second of it while it's here, and we don't take one day for granted. It's just like everybody wants to be nice to us now and be our friends, and we're like, 'Okay! Tomorrow you probably won't like us, but that's cool. We'll take it while we can get it'."

Stefani: "No breaks here [on tour], but that's okay."
[Interviewer: "Performing with a broken foot; you're a trooper."]
Stefani: "We all [at the band] are [troopers] here. We've been working really hard, but this is our little chance, so we're trying to take advantage of it, you know?"

[Interviewer: "It's incredible to me that you don't have this grandmaster plan..."]
Stefani: "I don't have a plan; it's been basically chasing dangling carrots everywhere I look."

All else being equal, the quotes above showcase a preference for extroverted perception (Se/Ne) over introverted perception (Si/Ni). Moreover, if we had to pick between Se or Ne, the quotes fit Se better on the whole as it is the Se type that is the type most likely to make the most out of the given situation without mulling over it. Ne types can often get too caught up in their introspection and associations in contrast to the Se type's more (non-typological) intuitive approach of feeling the actual external situation to the fullest (as exemplified by most of the quotes). As Mary Arrington (in her article: ESFP vs ENFP, Part 2) has stated about Ne types, "because of [their] focus on multiple possible perspectives on reality at the same time, ENPs are actually quite poor at dealing with situations where it is necessary to engage with factual reality as it is happening here and now, and they can sometimes fail to take advantage of the opportunities they come across when compared with Se types."

Another thing to consider is that Ne (or just N in general), as stated by Myers, views the "immediate situation as a prison from which escape is urgently necessary," meaning that, as Boye Akinwande puts it, "NP types constantly feel a need to escape and transcend the immediate givens of any situation, even if they do not quite know how such an escape could be achieved" (for the Ne type, one of the ways this can often manifest in them is seeking ulterior viewpoints), as opposed to Se typically preferring to stay with the actual experience and be acquainted with the opportunities that arise in present reality (as exemplified by most of the quotes).

Now, obviously one can find real-life examples of transcendent Se types and more immediate-inclined Ne types, so this first section obviously isn't my main argument but rather just a starter.

Why Se over Ne

Now getting more into the actual meat of the argument. As mentioned above, while the quotes in the first section may arguably lean more towards Se on the whole, it didn't really rule out Ne (as I mentioned). One might ask while reading this 'Well do you have a more concrete example of Gwen Stefani showcasing a preference for Se over Ne?' and I say yes to that! Just as IDRlabs have said that Frank Ocean "avoids conceptualizations and associations in interviews" as evidence for S over N, same thing applies to Gwen Stefani:

[Interviewer: "Gwen, tell me how you got the name 'No Doubt'?"]
Stefani: "Well, the band's been together for about five years, and about five years ago, a guy that used to sing with us, which doesn't anymore, used to say this word, and so now that is the word we use. A really simple story, not really complex at all."

[Interviewer: "You got different lyrics and then completely different style, where does that come from?"]
Stefani: "You might wanna ask Eric about the lyrics as he does a lot of the writing and he's down there."

As IDRlabs have stated "a person is unlikely to just sit idly by as a subject pertaining to his or her dominant function comes up. It’s like a cat seeing a big chunk of red meat just lying around. One’s imagination is stimulated and one is moved to participate – to dig in and grab a chunk of meat for oneself." Her answers are not exactly what one would expect from an N dominant type, right? In the 2 examples above (both of which are from the same interview), she avoided 2 opportunities for "conceptualizations and associations". I have another example of her Se preference below:

[Interviewer: "How do you describe your sense of style?"]
Stefani: "I don't. I always hate talking about fashion, I swear. To me, fashion is something you don't talk about, it's something you do, you know what I mean? [Fashion is something] you wear and you look at."

Based on this, we can infer that her "cognition tends to be more drawn towards objects as they exist physically, experiencing them in their entirety and as they are" (As Boye Akinwande has about Se in his article: ISTP vs INTP). In this case, she doesn't "bypass" the object (in this case, fashion) to get to its associations but rather views the object as something that stands on its own terms and merits. One could also argue that there is also a bit of Fi in this quote too.

Furthermore, according to IDRlabs, Se "operate[s] off of phenomena that are ... capable of standing on their own (i.e. being thought more 'self-evident')" whereas Ne "combine[s] different (and differing) perspectives to comprise elements in the illustration of an abstract idea". Out of those descriptions, which do you think fits Gwen Stefani more based on the examples I provided? Want another quote that suggests Se?

Stefani: "To be from Orange County and try to play in LA, it was like taboo, kind of because they were like, you know, 'Oh, behind the Orange Curtain, blah blah blah.' But if you really look at it, it's all one big concrete thing. If you drive to Orange County, it's not like you're going to go through fields or anything."

Overall, the quote seems to suggest a person with a marked preference for actuality as opposed to conceptualization or abstract association. That is to say that she prefers to see the actual existence of things (the physical reality of the situation as opposed to what was intended, expected, or believed). In this case, she is emphasizing if one looks at it objectively, there is no significant physical or geographical barrier between LA and Orange County (referring to it as "one big concrete thing") despite all the history and preconceived notions between the 2 cultures.

It should be noted that cognitive processes are theoretical symbols for trying to explain certain preferences rather than ability, that is to say that Gwen Stefani isn't incapable of "Ne stuff" but rather she simply prefers "Se stuff".

I have examples of Fi if anyone want some but I decided to just keep it Se vs Ne for Stefani.

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2025-07-16 12:25:12pm (post #10141)

nicotineseries IXFP 6w5, 649 IEI

So, well now I wrote this text and in truth not only what I've been said this isn't based on the research or even I didn't have any data to prove with. In fact, you can search it by yourself if you want and there is now that technology is advanced and sophisticated, so go ahead and find the evidence yourself and share it here. Then I'll try to change my mind. Okay! Thank you.

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2025-07-11 12:05:19am (post #10114)

nicotineseries IXFP 6w5, 649 IEI

I keep seeing that people would confuse this person with XNTP types when I saw on the MBTI community especially on the Personality Database or whatever a website could easily took someting until misunderstood it. I think of those voters or even according to any systems like IDRlabs cannot take thing seriously or at least until people would search this person (Lewis Carroll) it's deeper of an iceberg, like you got to dig diver it until your understand it. I agree or understand with what user Woll Smoth vote about Princess Ariel as an Se users and I compare that with this person (Lewis Carroll) and yeah and I know can imagine that too. If you want me to elaborate all of my research and reasons, I said I mean with this according to many website and biography videos I think people would judge it with Introversion and some people would arguing "yeah he is sound kind a high Ne users" and etc etc, but isn't. I really dig diver some new information about this probably 1 years ago and I've summarized it as best I can for evidence, but some of it may be missing or lacking because I'm too lazy to write it here. So, in short, this person is incline to hereticism and spiritualism and as users Woll Smoth said about ENFJs “the ENFJ tends to have an intellectual, even scholarly, side which they use to delve into abstract problems concerning the whole of society, if not the world. In truth, most ENFJs are quite comfortable juggling complex facts and challenging situations that require a firm grasp of the theory involved.” And I think again some people maybe said that "oh, it is because he is conservative anglican pious christian and pervert? Or even bad, he is a bad person 'cus pedophilia bla bla bla..." no it is not the main REASONS and I want to tell the truth, mostly because I hardly quoted none quotes on here because he is too private as a person and only be recorded at his letters or he's acquitances and I pleased to someone don't be too quick swiftly judging any others MBTI as a bad and unappropiated because one of the cognitive functions is different which makes you differentiate between other types. Okay so next by the way I'll shorten this I now compare it with any other famous person in IDRlabs one of them is with the INTJ personality, as I get the similarity with it is Isaac Newton and I yeah I get that the analogies between their behavior, thinking and yeah probably they're had an in commonly same and insanely it is so perfect that there is no difference at all! If so, you can check the truth of what I said earlier by reading his biography, autobiography, an interview with original sources such as his relatives, siblings, etc. Until you want the most extreme level, you can search and ask in the community and try to criticize which mistakes you want to state then tell me then I will change my way of thinking and my voters and give me questions (anything) up to you so I can state which errors and where my mistakes lie. Also one of his illustrator, Sir John Tenniel said that someone who a fussy and authoritarian behavior that demands everything to be perfect until the book is published. Well, maybe at this point there will be someone who will point to evidence in the form of a biographical film, right? It's fitting that I see the community criticizing some of the inconsistencies in the behavior in the film and the personality of the person behind his work. Actually, this Mr. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson or his anonymous name known as "Lewis Carroll" is indeed very difficult for us to understand for those who are unfamiliar and don't understand how this person's way of thinking. Indeed, when I read one of his biographies, it was quite surprising and confusing why this person was one of the people I analyzed who was the most different. And yes, I began to realize that he was actually a dominant intuitive and I think he did have an abstraction in creating a work that was very irrational and dependent on someone's imagination which made me definitely put him in the dominant intuitive category (and one of his friends, a member of the Rossetti family, said so). But I thought again, Why isn't Ne dominant, ENTP maybe because he is a thinker?, so what I just said is that this person is basically very abstract and has a few percent for him to be a Sensor because he can also master the intellectual field and academic conversations or something related to that. So I sorted him back to another possibility, namely Ni is dominant in his cognitive function. But there are also people who say that he is S, including IXTJ or something like that. "Oh, why not other introverts like IXXP or IXXJ, why do you say he is in the IXTJ category, IXTX is a heartless thinker or something..." Well, that's my opinion, yes, he might use Te because he is structured in other words regarding goals and targets. As the quote from user PDB (Personalty Database) said about the Tekken 8 character Jin Kazama "I agree that Jin is Ni dom but he seems more Te-Fi>Fe-Ti. In the Tekken 6 storyline (which is controversial but it's canon regardless of what people think) he seems so contingent to marshal facts for the sake of actualizing a personal goal." or "Jin's judgment seems tailored towards measurable solutions that are tailored towards a particular end, All else being equal, when criticizing something, an INTJ is more likely to put emphasis on the practicality of the idea than an INFJ, hence why he says "Does it really make a difference?" Another thing to consider is that, as IDRlabs puts it, "INTJs have auxiliary extroverted thinking. Since their thinking is directed outwards, they prefer for their judgments and plans to be oriented towards the actionable. While their ruminations and visions might be just as lofty as those of the INFJ, the concrete takeaways from their thoughts tend to be much easier to translate into practical reality. They want to construct a clear path from abstract vision to concrete reality; to shake the world with their thoughts in a way that makes the 'impossible' possible. This fits Jin well." And well, this is the conclusion, and if time permits, I will look for some quotes or more or less examples in his other autobiographical books.

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2025-07-10 04:40:12pm (post #10112)

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