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| public myers-briggs votes | (18/12/05 15:34) twinpinks: ENTJ |
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LVNA  Hey, thanks for the response. Cool to know about the first part. My main thing is that he seems Se dominant in socionics for sure, but I can see the SEE argument because of how irrational and given in to his feelings of loyalty he was. In a Quadral sense, SLE probably makes most sense, but maybe his fierce loyalty vibe makes him more SEE.  1
2018-07-28 12:16:12am (post #2431) |
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LVNA I'm not going to outright assert this because I don't know you well enough, but it seems as though you might be an individual who gives too much credence to the notion that intuitives somehow must be more interesting and groundbreaking than sensors. But, in fact, I actually think that when you look at a system like socionics it's almost offensive to someone like Escobar to consider such a person an intuitive. To me the appeal in socionics lies in its archetypal nature. You can come up with metrics like Model A and spin function definitions any which way you want to arrive at a conclusion that is cased in a beautiful little box that warms the heart with a statement by making it appear you have a certain degree of proximity to someone you find affinity with by creating categories like "Beta NF," "intuitive subtype" or "shared quadral functions at different levels," but at the end of the day this sort of overspecification convolutes the archetypal process by making things relate to those who have typed themselves in socionics as something in a very fragmented way that stresses the continuation of their identity as a discrete monad above all else. So what do I think of when Pablo Escobar comes to mind? I'm not sure if you read Spanish but if you do I would recommend reading here: https://psicologiaymente.com/reflexiones/frases-pablo-escobar. When reading these phrases one gets a sense of a movement towards a very primal perspective. To a sort of consciousness that looks at the world as a battleground...that destresses its subjective nature and any possible anxieties that could come with it. Pablo Escobar reminds me of visions I have when listening to instrumental songs...an embracing of worlds whose parts assemble and dissemble without the slightest of emotion of fear because there is no attempt made to break things down into units of meaning that would last beyond the prior, current or next moment. Escobar reads as a person who first began to look on the world as though he were already in flight and who found a sword within himself that he could plunge into whatever he already barreled towards with momentum. All of these things relate to a sense of action...a sense of fused perspective with the outside world itself. What I find so intoxicating in reading his quotes is the complete lack of doubt in them...reading Escobar is like reading someone who is willing to deliver on the belief that the world can be just one thing...the movement of a bullet...the building of a series of communities...the eating of food that will cause the body to decay or the indulgence of drugs...these are all chords in his embracing of momentum that would bring him into the arms of some, namely those of his family and his beautiful Medellín before anyone else's. Escobar took the conditions he found himself in and ran with them...he was an amor fati lover of everything he came in contact with that propelled him to gain power and amor fati loather of everything he came in contact with that threatened to destroy both him and what had allowed him to grow, be it the people of Medellín or Cocaine. I can only marvel at this level of connection to reality and its timeless expression through Escobar. It seems even as he became more and more powerful and could give shape to things, he would rather continue moving in the way he was. Escobar never settled. He continued as the storm he was...fused with his world..starting and ending life as a terrorous bird gliding through the skies. If anything should define in a reddeming way Socionics's Extroverted Sensation it is this. Where is the extroverted feeling? There is a complete paucity of morality and interest in creating any sort of movement with definite meaning in Escobar's life. Where is the introverted intuition in someone so enmeshed in life and its contours? 0
2018-07-27 10:29:16pm (post #2429) |
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LVNA Lol he’s the definition of socionics Se and was a highly strategical thinker. The reason he’s loved by the people and hated by the government is not because he made rambunctious, passionate speeches and created an environment of cultural change, but because he DID. When conservative Colombian politicians put neoliberalism and officialist Christian morality above helping the people, Escobar took money he had earned through bloodshed and sheer force and DID once again, constructing housing projects for and giving to the poor. When the rhetoric of leftist politicians showed itself to be a scam, Escobar exposed the hypocrisies of his government by doing whatever he wanted. He fought so he could fuck women. He fought so he could gain control. He showed that what was hiding behind the corrupt officials’ words was a force as useless as any and so he slaughtered and gave back to show its hypocrisy was as evil, but less productive than his great force. And yet he never surrendered his alleigiance to attempting to control and indulge in what he desired. He is the definition of an SLE, even though he’s ENTJ by letters. 0
2018-07-27 08:14:18pm (post #2427) |
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