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Guts ~ MBTI, Enneagram, and Socionics Personality Type

Guts

Berserk

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ISFP 11
ISTP 3
INFJ 1
8w9 10
9w8 7
sp/sx 8
sx/sp 1
SLE 5
SLI 1
LSI 1
IEI 1
ESI 1
FVEL 2
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public myers-briggs votes
(22/09/10 10:29) rock and roll: ISTP
(22/09/10 10:28) GIJOEBusta Cap: ISTP
(21/09/19 19:53) Reinek: ISTP
(20/11/26 22:09) JohnN64: ISTP
(20/11/26 02:31) Retroman: ISTP
(20/11/25 05:36) Anderson20: ISTP
(20/02/01 21:25) Jacobus: ISTP
(19/09/08 19:02) Lol: ISTP
(19/06/18 08:18) tanchique: ISTP
(20/07/17 16:16) Tman: ISTP
(18/12/07 11:21) SirCanSir: ISTP
(18/12/06 23:57) Taco110: ISTP
(18/11/13 20:09) tch: ISTP
(18/11/11 10:45) twinpinks: ISTP
(18/08/23 13:51) harbinger: ISTP
(18/08/18 02:41) kawaii: ISTP
(18/08/17 21:56) Teru Mikami: ISTP
(18/08/17 17:57) fiddlediddle: INFJ
(18/08/16 21:59) Orpheus12: ISFP
(18/07/08 08:06) Nyx: ISTP
(18/07/08 08:44) switchblades: ISTP
(18/05/03 08:53) the heart marksman: ISTP
public function votes
(22/09/10 10:29) rock and roll: ISTP
(26/02/11 12:14) GIJOEBusta Cap: ISFP
(21/05/13 22:16) Lol: ISFP
(20/12/01 15:48) Anderson20: ISTP
(21/05/31 10:56) Tman: ISFP
(18/12/07 00:01) Taco110: ISFP
(18/12/06 18:24) tch: ISFP
(18/08/18 02:41) kawaii: ISFP
(18/08/17 21:56) Teru Mikami: ISFP
(18/08/17 18:30) fiddlediddle: INFJ
(18/07/08 08:06) Nyx: ISFP
(18/07/08 08:44) switchblades: ISFP
(18/07/06 12:55) fg: ISFP
(18/06/17 07:38) Khel: ISTP
public enneagram votes
(22/09/10 10:29) rock and roll: 9w8
(26/09/08 01:49) GIJOEBusta Cap: 8w9
(20/11/26 22:09) JohnN64: 9w8
(20/11/26 02:31) Retroman: 9w8
(20/11/25 05:34) Anderson20: 9w8
(20/02/01 21:25) Jacobus: 8w9
(20/01/15 15:34) Lol: 8w9
(19/02/25 18:18) tman: 8w9
(18/12/07 11:22) SirCanSir: 8w9
(18/12/06 23:58) Taco110: 8w9
(18/08/23 19:24) fiddlediddle: 9w8
(18/08/23 13:50) harbinger: 9w8
(18/08/08 17:33) wecanbeliketheyare: 8w9
(18/07/08 08:45) switchblades: 8w9
(18/06/17 07:38) Khel: 8w9
(18/05/03 08:53) the heart marksman: 8w9
public instinctual variant votes
(22/09/10 10:29) rock and roll: sp/sx
(22/09/10 10:28) GIJOEBusta Cap: sp/sx
(20/11/26 22:09) JohnN64: sx/sp
(20/11/25 05:34) Anderson20: sp/sx
(20/02/04 21:33) Lol: sp/sx
(19/01/17 03:05) tman: sp/sx
(18/06/17 07:38) Khel: sp/sx
(18/05/03 08:54) the heart marksman: sp/sx
public tritype® votes
(20/02/04 21:33) Lol: 864
(19/02/25 18:18) tman: 864
(18/12/07 00:04) Taco110: 864
(18/09/13 08:50) switchblades: 864
public sociotype votes
(22/09/10 10:29) rock and roll: SLE
(22/09/10 10:28) GIJOEBusta Cap: SLE
(21/05/31 10:56) Tman: SLI
(21/05/13 22:16) Lol: SLE
(20/08/02 18:37) Sociotyper: ESI
(20/07/17 12:39) Jacobus: SLE
(18/08/18 19:28) switchblades: LSI
(18/07/09 06:02) fg: SLE
public psychosophy votes
(20/04/05 00:56) Jacobus: FVEL
(20/07/17 16:17) Tman: FVEL
public hexaco votes
Brainer ISTP 9w8 sp/sx
ISxP

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2019-05-26 07:15:52am (post #6128)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
It's like I said boys. I'm back.

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2018-08-19 02:45:28pm (post #2940)
Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4
It's because you're all normies so all you watch is normie animes.

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2018-08-19 01:59:41pm (post #2939)
switchblades INFP delete
oh boy what a flashback, guts page at the top yet again

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2018-08-19 12:50:32pm (post #2938)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
Oh for god's sake stop throwing ad hominem attacks at me and read the manga. I don't care that you're hurt that I don't agree with you.

 

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2018-08-18 06:43:04pm (post #2930)
fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST
his character never demonstrate Ni-Fe-Ti-Se except in the mind of a self masturbatory , self proclaiming INFJ.

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2018-08-18 04:52:14pm (post #2922)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
hat's the point they are nor inf Se except Dooku.

Except if you try to really type them by understanding their motivations and means of action they're INJs. Inferior Se types with more physical fighting styles than another inferior Se type like Dooku. I don't know why you're just hyper focusing on one part of my argument to prove yours (cherry picking is usually a bad argument technique and very intellectually dishonest). 

 

I'm trying to explain that physicality or lack of physicality has nothing to do with risk - if you're trying to define risk as level of physicality in combat that is. There's benefits and risks to both the more physical two handed and one handed styles and it has to do with what could counter one style of fighting and what could not. Suceptability to types of techniques is what is considered risky - not how much a style requires one to move. One is not necessarilly riskier than the other. It all depends on what fighting style gets adopted by the individual and how their experience with it. Combat is not always an Se thing.

 

I'm trying to get you away from thinking that Guts' physicality in combat means he doesn't have inferior Se. It doesn't matter. He trained his whole life with two handed swords that inherently requires more physical moves and trained at it long enough to become a master at it. More physicality is not necesssarily a risky thing. It's fuzzy ground and a poor means of typing without radically simplying one's understanding of combat techniques.

 

you are so illusionate by your fantasm about INJ

I'm trying to prove why Guts in INFJ. You're making the ridiculous claim that inferior Se types will always choose physically conservative combat styles "out of less risk" therefore he isn't an INFJ - despite the fact his motivations and tendencies as a character do demonstrate Ni-Fe-Ti-Se. Then I'm saying that physicality associated with a certain fighting style is irrelevant to whether Se exists at all. I don't know you're making a case if argument ad reductio so I'm trying to do what I can.

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2018-08-18 04:43:09pm (post #2921)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
Wow. I don't know what to say anymore.

You don't have to say anything. There is nothing for you say. Say nothing if you will. If you will, say nothing. Say nothing, you will.

 

What are you even talking about?

What are you talking about?

 

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2018-08-18 03:57:46pm (post #2916)
fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST
but we all know that you will never accept the truth because you are so illusionate by your fantasm about INJ

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2018-08-18 03:53:11pm (post #2915)
fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST
"INTJ Dooku takes a conservative (this doesn't always mean lack of risk) and efficient style of a rapier fencer because of his inferior Se if you will. Then how do inferior Se Yoda, Obi Wan, and Palpatine still stick to their very physical fighting styles? It's fuzzy ground." that's the point they are nor inf Se except Dooku. dooku make little risky moove in his fighting style while all of them (with batman) are ultra risk taker in comparison .

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2018-08-18 03:51:32pm (post #2914)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
Sheesh. Wow. I don't know what to say anymore. What are you even talking about? Wdym I'm moving away from everything function-related and use minuscule irrelevant details as proof? How do you dare tell me that it's not everybody else who's misinformed but it's actually me with (get this) constructive arguments?? Yeah I'm not replying to that. Oh baby you don't know what you're talking about. Learn to debate, ugh. Evidence? Criteria? Sources? You can't be this stupid. That's not how we do things in the MBTI community. Go ahead and educate yourself sweetie, you're just angry because I'm right and you're wrong :) 

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2018-08-18 03:42:55pm (post #2913)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
"Yoda is INTP, Batman ISTJ, palpatine ENTJ"

lol no Yoda's INFJ. I think we've gone over this. Batman's an INTJ (they'll always say Batman can defeat anyone given enough prep time). Palpatine's also an INTJ gives how he likes to play the shadowy puppet master archetype and had Order 66 planned in mind long before he became a senate. ENTJs can do it as well but I think they're going to be much more willing to take the centre stage - granted I haven't actually looked this deep into Palpatine.

 

physical inf Se fighter take very little risk in their fighting skill (like doku).

It's difficult to define "risk" in fighting styles. Combat in general is a pretty on the moment back and forth, risk and reward scenario. There's no way to avoid a good deal of risk without really planning ahead. Dooku is essentially a rapier fencer and you could argue rapier fencing is riskier than the tradtional two handed long sword light saber techniques of say Obi Wan, Palpatine, Anakin or anyone else as it's easier to maintain control and absorb attacks. Or you could say it's safer because lightsabers are all cutting blow torches that mitigates the need for excessive physical force for cuts so a rapier style of fighting is the most efficient form of fighting. It's like I've said fighting styles are a really fuzzy ground for typing unless you really try to analyze what they're trying to do and how that could lead back to a certain type - even that is pretty diffcult to do.

 

INTJ Dooku takes a conservative (this doesn't always mean lack of risk) and efficient style of a rapier fencer because of his inferior Se if you will. Then how do inferior Se Yoda, Obi Wan, and Palpatine still stick to their very physical fighting styles? It's fuzzy ground.

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2018-08-18 03:36:50pm (post #2912)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
Fi>Fe because he has poor social skills, tied "overreacting" to a lack of Fe

Ignored a good gist of how I tried to explain the origins of Izuku's heroic ethics and how it resembles the function of Fi.

but ok

 

"INFJ should be focused on certain thoughts in order to pass as one and that guts has to be "channeling into his STP shadow"

what

 

how shadows in functions work

Guts and his shadow archetype. Given how the Beast of Darkness (Gut's shadow archetype manifested) plays on his sense of nihilism and taste for blood it's probably some sort of STP. I hope you don't take this too literally so it goes over your head (but it's going to isn't it?).

 

 

exactly and how someone's preferences suddenly change when they get edgy enough to make them an entirely different type)

what 

I don't even know what you're talking about anymore Teru.

 

I'm sure all of that was just a huge mistake and you've always assumed that functions =/= skill or ability

Now you're really not making any sense. How about not ever talking about anything outside of letter MBTI or ennegram. You'l at least sound sensible then.

 

 hence your condescension towards any type that's not INFJ

Stop projecting your asshurt onto me. Sheesh.

 

you're completely in your right to say that nobody knows what they're talking about except you (hence why after I explained you're wrong you went ad hominem and ignored what I said)

That's right Teru. You don't really know anything. You don't even understand the basics of cognitive functions which is why you're constantly tripping over basic descriptions of types and keep on asking me banal questions over and over again (just for the sake of trying to piss me off). You'll even make a big deal out of the "invalidity of functions" (of which I don't necessarily disagree with) despite the fact sakinorva not only supports cognitive MBTI but also socionics which is an even more advanced system of Jungian functions. I don't know what you're doing here or why you're here in the first place. But I don't care. If you're not going to debate productively I'm just going to keep shitting all over everything you do. Grow up.

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2018-08-18 02:51:15pm (post #2910)
fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST
not every physical fighter are Se but there is rarely inf Se physical fighter, physical inf Se fighter take very little risk in their fighting skill (like doku). Yoda is INTP, Batman ISTJ, palpatine ENTJ

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2018-08-18 01:38:14pm (post #2909)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
yesterday you implied midoriya was Fi>Fe because he has poor social skills, tied "overreacting" to a lack of Fe, said mumbling = Ne, keeping notebooks = Si and not planning his life in detail = not Ni and just now you said an INFJ should be focused on certain thoughts in order to pass as one and that guts has to be "channeling into his STP shadow" to justify his low Se (nice save btw now please explain how shadows in functions work exactly and how someone's preferences suddenly change when they get edgy enough to make them an entirely different type) I'm sure all of that was just a huge mistake and you've always assumed that functions =/= skill or ability (hence your condescension towards any type that's not INFJ) and that you're completely in your right to say that nobody knows what they're talking about except you (hence why after I explained you're wrong you went ad hominem and ignored what I said)

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2018-08-18 01:27:46pm (post #2908)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
oh you kids

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2018-08-18 12:41:16pm (post #2907)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
I literally just had Teru question me about why I believe certain skills are more likely to be preferred by certain type stacks than others and now I have fg telling me Guts can't be inferior Se because he is "too good at swordplay" - and Teru, I'm willing to bet, didn't bat a fucking eye.

Here's an argument. Batman is not an INTJ because "he's too good at martial arts." Master Yoda is an ISTP because he "has a very physical style of light saber combat." Palpatine is an ESTP because "he's a douche, and is also very skilled at light saber combat."

Combat prowess does no necessarily indicate Se nor does it indicate where Se could be in a stack. You could try to attribute curtains of fighting styles with certain types but even then it might be a bit blurry.

Generally put, the position of Se in a stack suggests the preference of one types willingness to engage in the external sensory world. An INFJ, compared to an ISTP or ESTP, is far less likely to be willing to engage is the external sensory world. In terms of combat prowess, say in an equal circumstance where there is no external pressure to develop "Se skills" an ISTP or ESTP are more likely to pick up and develop their combat prowess before that of an INFJ. It's preference and likely outcomes of said preferences and understanding how certain circumstantial demands that might affect said outcomes.

Guts having inferior Se wouldn't necessarily mean he would be shitty at swordplay - especially not if given proper training which is what he had to go through all of his early life. That's why Guts is such a skilled warrior. Other than that he never truly embraces Se say like ESTP Corkus. Guts, in normal states, is always inwardly turned and contemplates the meaning of his existence and his relation to others - like an Ni-Fe user should

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2018-08-18 12:40:42pm (post #2906)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
i never said anime isn't art 

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2018-08-18 12:40:03pm (post #2905)
fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST
i did say "anime are art and deserve respect"not anime are art so they deserve respect.

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2018-08-18 12:32:49pm (post #2904)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
a grown up person would perceive that art is also drawing dicks on a canvas, respect my genitals or you're immature

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2018-08-18 12:16:59pm (post #2903)
fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST
a grow up person would percieve that anime are art and deserve respect. It don't deserve to be called "a fucking anime". + Berserk is a manga before an anime.

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2018-08-18 11:55:27am (post #2902)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
you're right though I'll grow up and start arguments about who knows more about a fucking anime

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2018-08-18 11:18:58am (post #2901)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
the "irrelevant questions" aren't very irrelevant when they all apply to you now are they

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2018-08-18 11:16:59am (post #2900)
fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST
if we go by function INFJ suck at Se it's their inferior function. Guts is not especially Ni and is too good at Se so INFJ is impossible. people who use function like you are the reason why some people avoid the complexity of cognitive function in saying "function magic".

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2018-08-18 10:57:25am (post #2899)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
Hey, Teru, I know I shit all over your frail little ego a while back but why don't you actually ask me relevant questions instead of asking me pointless things that you never intentend go into depth with me anyways. Get off your hate boner and act like an adult.

 

"GUTS IS ISTP" lol grow up (read the manga pleb)

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2018-08-18 10:44:50am (post #2898)
Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?
"errors in understanding functions" oh you mean as in attributing skills and stereotypes to inner preferences? Or butchering Jung's theories that have never been translated into current functions by any sort of credible source and baselessly merging parts of different systems that have little relation outside of their origin? Or entirely misunderstanding the way sensing was initially described? Or thinking MBTI and functions are entirely tied together? yeah fuck those ppl right

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2018-08-18 10:13:02am (post #2896)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
It might sound ridiculous because it goes against any typings commonly made of him but it's really the only way to make sense of Guts character as a whole. His intentions, his tendencies, the way he grew up, and what he believes in and had believed in. Dysfunctional INFJ is really the best way to type Guts. I never denied he had an SP persona but he's not an SP character if you take him as a whole.

Pretty much anyone who tried to argue at length that he's an ISTP/ISFP made errors in understanding functions or made glaring misinterpretations of Berserk lore and Guts' character.

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2018-08-18 09:57:24am (post #2895)
fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST
doodlepool this vote was ridiculous in MBTI base, it's still now.

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2018-08-18 09:37:27am (post #2894)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
Dysfunctional INFJ channeling STP shadow.

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2018-08-17 08:58:51pm (post #2884)
fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe
hey boys im back

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2018-08-17 06:31:09pm (post #2875)
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