~ MBTI, Enneagram, and Socionics Personality Type

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ISTP 2

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5w6 2

5w4 2

7w8 1

cp5w6 1

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sp/sx 1

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public myers-briggs votes

(18/12/17 00:26) LadyX: INTP

(18/12/15 12:27) tch: IxTP

(18/12/15 06:40) kawaii: ISTP

(18/12/15 06:07) Teru Mikami: ESTP

(18/12/15 22:34) *~snow~*: IxTP

(18/12/15 17:48) Taco110: INTP

public function votes

(18/12/15 17:50) Taco110: ISTP

(18/12/15 11:40) Teru Mikami: ISTP

(18/12/15 10:21) Phantom: INTP

public enneagram votes

(18/12/17 00:28) LadyX: cp5w6

(18/12/15 10:22) Phantom: 5w6

(18/12/15 08:38) Ryugan: 5w4

(18/12/15 06:07) Teru Mikami: 7w8

(18/12/15 03:49) Taco110: 5w6

public instinctual variant votes

(18/12/17 00:28) LadyX: sx/sp

(18/12/15 03:49) Taco110: sp/sx

public tritype® votes

(18/12/17 00:27) LadyX: 594

public sociotype votes

public psychosophy votes

public hexaco votes

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

same thing still goes here on paper, "religious" here just means you're baptised and went through a couple church ceremonies in school which everyone does anyway and is pretty misleading statistics-wise, I doubt close to 4/5 of the US population (especially <20 years old) is anything close to religious but then again I can't prove that

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2018-12-16 05:28:36pm (post #4292)

*~snow~*
:(

It's not even just the small rural US though. It's pretty much everywhere except the cities. Sure hardcore fundamentalism is more of a rural Southern thing, but it's pretty much just assumed, no matter where you live, that you're Christian and at the very least believe in God. The statistics back this up, although also showing that irreligiosity is gradually becoming more prominent.

I'm happy for you that you happen to live in a country where religion is dead, but the US is a large part of the modern world too and it's just different there.

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2018-12-16 02:22:26pm (post #4289)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

In the small rural part of the US where people will still look down on you for it, yeah, in the rest of the modern world where religion is dead and pursuing it is akin to pedophilia? nah

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2018-12-16 05:23:20am (post #4285)

*~snow~*
:(

Religious ideas themselves are very N, sure. But this is an adjective that is meant to describe people, isn't it? That's what I assumed, since the other word entries are clearly meant to be adjectives describing people. If we're typing irreligion as a concept, then I think it would be best described as ISTP. But if we're using irreligious to describe people, then I still think INTP fits better because of the context surrounding modern religions.

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2018-12-15 10:51:53pm (post #4282)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

adding to that the only exceptions I see are rejection of the ritualistic behavior, strict rules and moral judgement which is why I also typed it P and 7 but it seems predominantly ST to me

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2018-12-15 09:00:20pm (post #4281)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

Religion is spirituality with a really vague and obscure handbook that's still interpreted differently by almost everyone to this day, there's 7 billion people who all have their own ties to it but you're not typing all irreligious people, just the concept of irreligion, and spirituality with the promise of an eternal utopian twist completely disconnected from anything you can prove will never not be N, you literally can't find anything more detached and conceptual while the motivations for not supporting it pretty much always come down to "...but you can't prove it"

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2018-12-15 08:42:58pm (post #4280)

*~snow~*
:(

If we're talking world population, then most people are statistically raised by religious parents. "Only an estimated 10% of the world’s newborns between 2010 and 2015 were born to religiously unaffiliated mothers" (pew research statistics).

But I understand that it differs according to culture, that's why I said -- "at least in countries like the U.S." -- where around 77% of people claim to be religious and we get constant crap like this. In Europe obviously it's much different (and I low-key envy this >.<).

Another thought: as far as agnosticism goes... wouldn't they also fall under "irreligious"? They're not actively participating in a religion so wouldn't that make them "disinterested" regardless of their openness to possibile gods/spiritual concepts? And most atheists are agnostic atheists too (meaning they don't believe in any gods but also don't claim 100% certainty that there are no gods).

"it's a lack of curiosity or denial because of a lack of proof, not N"

Those are just more assumptions. Honestly, there are any number of reasons why someone might be irreligious. I guess if those were the reasons, then it would be more S. But why do you think "lack of curiosity" or "denial because of a lack of proof" are any more valid reasons for opposing/not finding interest in religion than "using critical thinking" or "disliking religious dogma and tradition"?

I guess maybe either S or N could be justified depending on your understanding of this word and its implications.

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2018-12-15 05:59:47pm (post #4279)

Phantom

Teru, stop being so dramatic. The next time will choose my words more carefully, so I wouldn't hurt your gentle soul.

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2018-12-15 05:18:16pm (post #4278)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

أونك أونك يقول الخنزير الكافر

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2018-12-15 05:07:11pm (post #4277)

Phantom

Teru, did I triger you? You could give some arguments, but you behave like a frustrated teenager.

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2018-12-15 04:25:16pm (post #4275)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

أنا طعن لك اغتصاب أمك زوجتك ابنتك واكا واكا صوت الطيور جعلها عندما كانت تتغذى على عمودك الفقري والسياسيين لن يسمح لك حتى يشتكي هههههههه فتى فقير سوف يحرق في اسم الله وظيفة القذرة كافر أنت الماعز أنا حاد الأسنان الكومودو التنين وليمة رأسك

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2018-12-15 03:58:04pm (post #4274)

Phantom

Teru Mikami, you are very sensitive about this topic, why so? do people bully you because of your religion? If it is the case then I am sorry. I think we just speak from a different perspective. I live where most of people are religious and some are very judgemental and self-righteous. Don't take everything personally.

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2018-12-15 03:37:15pm (post #4273)

Ryugan ISTP 9w1

The most important thing is to respect everyone, regardless of belief or religion.

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2018-12-15 02:56:43pm (post #4270)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

فانتوم أنا بصق عليك وركل لك مثل كلب مريض وظيفتك المعتقدات الاشمئزاز لي أعود إلى شخصية مقهى وظيفة الكافرة tfu tfu tfu

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2018-12-15 02:41:10pm (post #4269)

switchblades INFP delete

if i closed my eyes i'd miss when i throw the acid, wym?

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2018-12-15 02:06:26pm (post #4267)

Phantom

Really? I guess you close your eyes everytime you see a woman without a burqa.

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2018-12-15 02:00:36pm (post #4265)

switchblades INFP delete

i'm intuitive and i'm definitely a staunch advocate of islam

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2018-12-15 01:52:18pm (post #4264)

Phantom

Teru Mikami, being religous doesn't mean that you are open to the the possibility of something larger, it means that you have a set beliefs that are specific to a religion and you live acording to those beliefs, among the intuitives INFJs and ENFJs probably are more religous because of Fe and they like spiritual activities. Most of religous people are not particularly open minded.

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2018-12-15 01:49:42pm (post #4263)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

it's a pretty bold assumption that all western kids still grow up in religious indoctrination in the first place, where I'm from if you're religious you get bullied, you're supposed to type the concept and not the individual

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2018-12-15 11:38:02am (post #4259)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

it implies you either don't care or are against it, it's a lack of curiosity or denial because of a lack of proof, not N

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2018-12-15 11:34:00am (post #4258)

*~snow~*
:(

"siding with the facts and what's already there over thinking of what could be is just more S than N"

In a world where this is the sole context to religion, I would agree with you. But instead, in our world, we see the opposite. To people who were raised in a religion, which is most people, "what's already there" IS the religion. That IS their reality.

I agree that someone who is so closed-minded that they claim with 100% certainty that there isn't something out there would be more S. But that's just not how I would define "irreligious". Mostly because hardly anyone actually holds that position. Also because none of the definitions I found say anything about having 100% certainty that nothing is out there. I'm pretty much going by the Cambridge dictionary definition: "having no interest in religion, or generally opposed to religion". That implies nothing about agnosticism vs gnosticism.

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2018-12-15 10:43:22am (post #4257)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

It's easy to think of it as just conforming vs non-conforming and enlightened N thinkers vs the Sensing sheep but forget about all that, siding with the facts and what's already there over thinking of what could be is just more S than N

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2018-12-15 08:45:36am (post #4256)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

It's a broad term but the emphasis is on either an indifference towards believing/doubt or opposing it, basically writing the concept off altogether or straight up denying it, it would be hypocritical for anyone who 100% identifies with the openness of intuition to antagonize religion with complete certainty

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2018-12-15 08:41:35am (post #4255)

*~snow~*
:(

I took "irreligious" to mean a disbelief in any religions, not necessarily hardcore atheism/antitheism. Many nonreligious people seem to be intuitive because it takes a lot of deep and critical thinking to escape religious indocrination and societal reinforcement, at least in countries like the U.S. where certain religions are the norm. Plus, most religions today, aside from the new-agey stuff, are very traditional and conservative -- things most intuitives don't find very attractive.

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2018-12-15 08:02:18am (post #4254)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

if this was about agnosticism then sure INTx 5 works but being "irreligious" seems like a very down to earth attitude

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2018-12-15 06:16:48am (post #4251)

Teru Mikami
Are you intuitive or do you follow the state?

fail to see why an intuitive type would be completely indifferent to or deny the possibility of "something larger"

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2018-12-15 06:14:12am (post #4250)

Taco110 Ni-Se you'll see ST

5 in general is easily the most secular type so its close. However w4 is more likely agnostic/indifferent/does their own thing whereas w6 is more polarized and could either be a staunch atheist or an uber-religious zealot imo. The pic gave off a more atheistic connotation anyway.

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2018-12-15 05:46:27am (post #4249)

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