Self-destructive ~ MBTI, Enneagram, and Socionics Personality Type

Self-destructive ~ MBTI, Enneagram, and Socionics Personality Type

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public myers-briggs votes

(21/03/05 14:16) Jacobus: ESP

(20/01/27 15:36) Fuzzy: INFP

(21/03/07 19:55) Taco110: ESFP

(19/01/20 06:06) LadyX: INFP

(19/01/15 06:35) tch: INFP

public function votes

(20/01/27 15:36) Fuzzy: INFP

public enneagram votes

(21/03/03 15:05) Tman: 8w7

(19/01/21 04:39) Taco110: 4w3

(19/01/20 21:23) Diobono: 8w7

(19/01/20 13:39) Teru Mikami: 8w7

(19/01/20 06:06) LadyX: 4w5

public instinctual variant votes

(21/03/03 15:05) Tman: sx/sp

(21/03/03 07:31) ally: sx/so

(19/01/21 04:39) Taco110: sx/so

(19/01/21 04:21) Teru Mikami: sx/so

(19/01/20 06:06) LadyX: sp/so

public tritype® votes

(21/03/11 14:35) Tman: 846

(19/01/21 04:52) Taco110: 468

(19/01/21 04:21) Teru Mikami: 826

(19/01/20 06:07) LadyX: 458

public sociotype votes

(20/01/27 15:36) Fuzzy: IEI

public psychosophy votes

(21/02/26 11:43) Jacobus: EFVL

public hexaco votes

Taco110 Ni-Se you'll see ST

What the fuck? I didn’t say that sx/so was solely 1-on-1 in its own right. If that’s your takeaway from this then you’re either straw-manning my position or you didn’t understand my argument in full. The 1-on-1 thing is only one of many facets for what fits sx as sx can and often does correlate to things like attraction, indulgence, sex, lust, obsession, likes and dislikes etc. yada yada you get the point. The point here is attraction, whether it be to people or things, hence my original comment. Looking at it as solely a 1-on-1 thing in its own right would absolutely be archaic and retarded, but that’s not what I did. I just focused on one component of it in particular. Also, no shit lmao. Did you not read the part where I said: “Sx is about merging and completely losing oneself to whatever is going on in a more intense way. They seek intensity, especially sx/so.” This clearly fits Freud’s Id theory about indulgence, instant gratification and whatnot. You just repeated my argument and re-packaged it into other terms.

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2021-03-07 08:02:29pm (post #8675)

Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE

My reasoning behind claiming that impulsivity correlates with impulsivity is that highly S individuals are more likely to "live in the moment" and not give serious consideration towards potential consequences. That this focus on the present is not part of the strictest definitions of sensation doesn't mean it's not a common result.

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2021-03-05 02:01:34pm (post #8673)

ally entp 3w4 ile

i know i used "self-sabotage" in my epic own that i typoed earlier as an equivalent of "self-destruction" but i agree on the infp point and would say that what infps do is closer to self-sabotage instead

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2021-03-05 04:55:06am (post #8670)

ally entp 3w4 ile

i think it's very possible for an sp first to be self destructive as a consequence of sp first. that whole idea that your middle instinct is the healthiest because the most developed instinct is more likely to become an unhealthier fixation than something you can rationally act on

but again yeah this is most likelies

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2021-03-05 04:44:04am (post #8669)

Jacobus INFJ 4w5 EIE

The question should really be why all the votes in letters and functions are for INFP. I get that INFP fours like to pose as starving artists and troubled martyrs and whatever, but that's far from the most likely type for someone that's actually self-destructive. Self-destruction is tied to impulsivity, and impulsivity correlates with extraversion and sensation.

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2021-03-03 06:33:22pm (post #8668)

ally entp 3w4 ile

to be sp blind and have the worst form of self sabotage you can inflict upon yourself be forgetting to bring granola bar

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2021-03-03 07:30:39am (post #8665)

EverybodyLovesNi

@taco , viewing SxSo as "1 on 1" is absolutely archaic, Sx is more like Freud's Id than some romance bullshit

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2021-03-03 01:56:22am (post #8664)

EverybodyLovesNi

Different stackings engage in self-destruction for different reasons, SxSo because of indulgence and total self-neglect, Sp Dom's with a more channeled approach like anorexia or risking their properties bc of nihilism

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2021-03-03 01:54:27am (post #8663)

LadyX intp 5

(fixing a typo)
Just to clarify my view of this: Self-forgetting is very different from Self-destruction.
Yes, the so/sx and sx/so people of the world forget to bring snacks and water bottles when they leave home. But they are less likely to perform self-sabotage than sp/so or sp/sx people. Why? Because sp-primary people are so self-focused that not only do they persistently worry about their own survival, but when in unhealthy mental condition they visit the opposite polarity of Self-preservation, which is Self-destruction, and they take it into their own hands to hurt themselves.

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2021-02-27 11:13:39pm (post #8662)

LadyX intp 5

Just to clarify my view of this: Self-forgetting is very different from Self-destruction.
Yes, the so/sx and sx/so people of the world forget to bring snacks and water bottles when they leave home. But they are less likely to perform self-sabotage that sp/so or sp/sx people. Why? Because sp-primary people are so self-focused that not only do they persistently worry about their own survival, but when in unhealthy mental condition they visit the opposite polarity of Self-preservation, which is Self-destruction, and they take it into their own hands to hurt themselves.

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2021-02-27 11:06:38pm (post #8661)

Taco110 Ni-Se you'll see ST

Both sx/so and so/sx have high capacity to be selfless because of mutual neglected sp. What the fuck are you on about? One-on-one selflessness fits sx/so and group selflessness fits so/sx better. The more selfless you are, the higher the chance for you to lose control of boundaries and hurt yourself or get hurt in a hypothetical situation. Thus, high potential for self-destruction or destruction from others. That's reality. Does it ever dawn on you that maybe, just maybe that insecurity and mistrust of relationships would make them even less self-destructive? By your own logic it should. Also, experiences are not always the be-all, end-all.

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2021-02-26 09:57:57am (post #8660)

LadyX intp 5

Statistically, the common stackings are sp/so, so/sx and sx/sp. As an aside, the sx/so stacking is uncommon and is found in the "inspiration" roles where intimate relationships abound - I don't really see such people being self-destructive, but perhaps self-forgetting as they serve others as a priority. I would hypothesize that the so/sx stacking would be least self-destructive since it produces so many human connections and validations. An sp-first has a level of insecurity and mistrust of relationships that is combated by prioritizing individual survival. But that very set of priorities means that survival is on their mind persistently and their struggle with trying to survive has a flip side of giving up and trying to not survive, becoming a martyr. Imagine as an attentional focal point, a "slider" between "survive" (when emotionally healthy) and "don't survive" (when emotionally unhealthy). I am basing this analysis on how I saw things play out for several people that I knew personally.

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2021-02-26 01:42:31am (post #8659)

Taco110 Ni-Se you'll see ST

Variants are the area that I know least about in typology alongside psychosophy, but with my limited knowledge its pretty clear to me that sp-last is the most fitting for this entry. Any self preservation-last stacking in theory could work, but the sexual variant is about the intensity of the experience, which is why I choose it over so/sx. So/sx is slightly more stable because they are primarily group-oriented and care what other people think of them; they're people-pleasing. Sx is about merging and completely losing oneself to whatever is going on in a more intense way. They seek intensity, especially sx/so. Sx/sp can pump the brakes in a way that sx/so can't because of secondary sp. Also, side note, it is about sex, unlike what the fucktards on the Christian websites have to say about it. It's literally called the sexual variant for a reason. Your reasoning for sp-first and sx-first fits sp/so and sx/sp better than sp/sx and sx/so respectively, moreso than purely sp-first and sx-first.

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2021-02-26 12:18:46am (post #8658)

LadyX intp 5

I based this instinct vote on being detached from the passion for living and for intimate exchange of sx. The people I know who self-destructed were low on use of the sx bias. Yes, sp is about individuation, which can be about keeping distance, then when they periodically try to reference to the group they can feel insufficient, thus creating a sense of poor self-esteem. The sx-first people are less concerned with group-referencing and end up with excessive self-esteem. What is the basis for your sx-first vote for this? A form of self-destruction that is driven by loss of a strong connection to an object of passion?

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2021-02-25 11:56:13pm (post #8657)

Taco110 Ni-Se you'll see ST

@LadyX vote is old AF but who cares... how in the fuck is a sp-first type self-destructive? Self-preservation is all about safety and the well-being of the individual.

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2021-02-25 10:14:37pm (post #8654)

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