Kokichi Oma ~ MBTI, Enneagram, and Socionics Personality Type

Kokichi Oma ~ MBTI, Enneagram, and Socionics Personality Type

Kokichi Oma

Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony

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public myers-briggs votes

(19/03/29 03:03) periwinkle: ENTP

(18/09/30 02:43) strawberryfields: ENTP

(18/06/28 05:06) Pantagod: ENTP

(18/05/11 02:11) *~snow~*: ENTP

(18/06/14 01:03) strawberry crisis: ENTP

(18/05/10 03:32) Stephen Hearts: ENTP

public function votes

(21/05/14 18:12) eyern: ENTP

(21/04/22 04:02) devilgirl666: ENTP

(19/05/25 17:34) periwinkle: ENTP

public enneagram votes

(21/05/14 18:12) eyern: 7w6

(21/04/22 04:02) devilgirl666: 7w8

(19/05/25 17:32) periwinkle: 7w6

(18/09/07 01:42) *~snow~*: 7w6

(18/06/14 01:04) strawberry crisis: 7w6

(18/09/07 12:12) stephen hearts: 7w8

public instinctual variant votes

(19/05/25 17:34) periwinkle: sp/so

(18/06/14 06:21) strawberry crisis: so/sx

public tritype® votes

(19/03/29 03:04) periwinkle: 478

public sociotype votes

(21/05/14 18:12) eyern: ILE

(19/05/25 17:34) periwinkle: ILE

(18/09/07 23:14) strawberry crisis: ILE

(18/09/07 01:42) *~snow~*: ILE

public psychosophy votes

public hexaco votes

strawberry crisis enfp 7

Yes, you're definitely right about him being more Alpha than Delta. It's a little silly in a way because I feel like Alpha is described in a very IxE way to begin with, but I can't deny the connection. I think "emotionally attuned" is awkward wording for what I meant to describe--maybe that he's too adept at reading the emotional atmosphere in a way that goes against ILE's relationship to Fe. My thought was that he's very demonstrative of Ne and Fe, so it would make some sense for him to be some extraverted, ethical intuitive and I went with the irrational one (I feel like his irrationality is too important to let go of).

You're right though that he has a very logical way of working with emotions and is able to control them well because of how detached is he from them. But oddly enough, I think that fits sort of well into Socio Fe? I honestly don't know too much about how Kokichi works with logic, but something that sticks out to me is how his explanations are very presentation-focused--it's kind of reminiscent of IEE's demonstrative Fe in certain descriptions (I'm thinking Socionics Biologist Stratievskaya's in particular). Ti can fit Kokichi I think as long it's not the rigid LSI/LII kind and more just a general "wanting to logically understand" function. There's a flexiblility to his way of thinking that I would want to associate with something like him being an ethical type or potentially lower Ti if it were described this way but ILE admittedly is described as being able to do this precisely because they value Ti... which is awkward.

"He has some strong principles (being strongly against killing and the killing game, disliking liers, feeling angry/guilty when his actions end up hurting others)."
I think this fits kind of well into Fi, but as a whole Fi is very "personal" in a way that I'm not sure Kokichi really fits into. In fact, I think there's an extremely strong argument for him being Fi polr and I'm veeeery tempted to switch my vote just because of that. In the end he probably fits ILE better but hmmmm it seems weird letting go of his emotive? side. I'm secretly convinced of ILE too but both Kokichi and Socionics are convoluted so I might just keep IEE for now.

Also for anyone who doesn’t wanna read a 1100 word comment, Kokichi is not an 8 wing because:
- his entire character premise is built around deception and underhandedness
- ambiguous and scattered as opposed to inherently unambiguous (8)
- confusing and prone to gaslighting (6) as opposed to honest and direct (8)
- constantly testing others to learn more about them (6) as opposed to deciding right then and there about their nature (8)
- aware of the “rules” (6) as opposed to aware of injustice (8)
- sees the world as dangerous where certain authorities hold power over people (6) as opposed to as a war where the strong overcome the weak (8)
- manipulative toward the weak (6) as opposed to protective of the weak (8)
- controls others with doubt (6) as opposed to possession (8)

Edit: hahaha honestly I’ll just vote ILE—IEE doesn’t value Fe and I don’t think it makes too much sense to make that argument when I’m relying on one of those oddly specific type profiles (by Sillyevskaya at that) that go against the more ingrained and consistent archetypes

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2018-09-07 05:34:26pm (post #3190)

Also, quadra-wise he is waaay more Alpha than Delta. I personally don't think quadras are a great way of typing people, but I figured I'd point it out.

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2018-09-07 03:21:45pm (post #3189)

I'm curious how you see him as too emotionally attuned? To me, emotions and relations seem like a major weak point for him, with how he has major trust issues and hides behind cold logic so he doesn't outwardly show emotion. He gets so focused on solving mysteries and getting ahead of the mastermind that sometimes he ends up trampling people (ie. Gonta) and even when upset he rarely ever shows his true emotions. Beneath his persona he certainly is more emotional, but I don't really think that changes the fact that the entire game he's primarily focused on solving and outwitting the game, and his moments of compassion also tend to show in harsh ways, like him bluntly pointing out people's lies. He's also very attuned to how things - and people - work, and how information - and people - can potentially be useful to him, which I think fits pretty will with socio Ti. Also, how he's always trying to break the rules/structure of the game, and how he has some strong principles (being strongly against killing and the killing game, disliking liers, feeling angry/guilty when his actions end up hurting others).

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2018-09-07 03:04:55pm (post #3188)

strawberry crisis enfp 7

Yeah, he definitely is. I think, though, regardless of what Kokichi “really” believes, he lives within his own ambiguity. Kokichi’s exercise of willfully creating ambiguity is inherently averse to 8s and their line of thinking. 6s want things to be clear and unambiguous, but it’s a consequence of their doubt—8s meanwhile are clear and unambiguous. Kokichi, being 7 first and counterphobic, is extremely comfortable making things more and more ambiguous in order to clear up something he is unsure about. Maybe that’s projection? I wouldn’t really be sure, but 8 couldn’t work for exactly that reason. I guess there could be a way of interpreting it where Kokichi knew everything along and acted only in accordance with what he knew would get everyone there (hence having no doubt) but then so much more begins to fall apart (from the 6/8 perspective): it wouldn’t make sense as to why he would continuously test others’ abilities, it wouldn’t make sense as to why he would deceive in a way so incompatible with 8, and it wouldn’t make sense as to why he de-emphasizes survival and winning the game in favor of playing more with the idea of working around the game by learning how to manipulate it.

I like ILE as a Socionics vote but I think he’s both too emotionally attuned and logically “loose” for me to go with that despite fitting kinda well into vulnerable Fi with his true nature.

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2018-09-07 07:52:42am (post #3187)

That's a lot of good points. I'm personally pretty torn on which wing he's more likely to have, but I definitely think you're right about him being more of a thinker than a doer, and I'm also thinking now that overall a 6 wing may be a bit more plausible. He's just a really tricky character to pin down motivations-wise.

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2018-09-07 01:41:40am (post #3186)

strawberry crisis enfp 7

I want to elaborate on the comment I made down below because I was fairly tentative in my typing him a wing 6 earlier but now I think Kokichi is a great, great example of someone who manifests the 6 wing in a more unconventional way, and understanding why a character like him shouldn't (or couldn't) be an 8 wing is important in understanding what a 7 with a 6 wing really could be--and is in my case, as I was reminded of my 7w6 typing on this page earlier today when I expressed my uncertainty in actually having a 6 wing. I remembered that I related a lot to the brand of 6 Kokichi shows--and hopefully not in a malicious way!--and I think it makes enough sense for me to say it's not a show of 6 I would consider phobic. But even calling it counterphobic is daring because I haven't explicitly read anything on the counterphobic Six yet that describes what I'm about to describe, and I think this may be because this mode of 6 has ties to a strong Sevenish disposition: it's what I would imagine a cp 7w6 to look like rather than a cp 6w7.

The keyword is testing. I just did a quick find on "test" in the Rowe description for type 6 and found an important line in the negative "Strength" Sx 6 description: Test others to appraise their character, inner strength and fortitude. It doesn't clarify whether this relates to the counterphobic attitude or not, but I like Rowe's overall Six profile because the phobic/counterphobic distinction isn't dependent on the subtype but rather is implied to be a more fluid attitude where a Six can demonstrate both but usually prefers one way of responding to fear over another (Most Social 6s are more phobic than counterphobic). "Testing others" with type 6 generally tends to mean testing relationships in order to ensure that the bond is strong as they perceive it to be, but there are two things that must be clarified here: the way Sixes test others and why such a way may not intuitively be connected to a fear. In Kokichi's case (and mine, for what it's worth), the fear is most likely attached to the idea of knowing one's own boundaries (6) and push them away (counter 6) for the sake of relieving boredom in order to distract from the fear of being stuck in pain (7). In that string, it sounds like a 7 only picking up traits of a 6 in order to run away from its own fear, but the magic within the Enneagram tells us that there is an unconscious fear related to type 6 behind this that causes the 7 to pick up traits stemming directly from the source in order to act out whatever it needs to act out i.e. 7 does bits of 6 because it just is connected to 6 at the core.

Kokichi--like everyone else--hated Danganronpa. He certainly enjoyed doing what he did but doing it the way he did it meant that there was an unconscious reason for why he would do it that way and again i.e. he would have chosen to fight the game in a far more different manner if he hadn't been... a counterphobic 7w6.

Kokichi You sure are naive, Gonta. But if you keep being naive...
...you're gonna get killed pretty easily, you know?
Shuichi As soon as Kokichi said that word, the mood that had been present up until then was stripped away in an instant.
Keebo What's the matter, everyone? Was Kokichi's advice incorrect in any way?
Gonta K-Kokichi... even if that was just a joke, please don't do that.
Kokichi Oh, was the word "kill" off-limits or something?
S-Sorry... I didn't... know about that.
But still, isn't it kind of impossible to avoid that word? After all, this killing game is still continuing and everything--
Tenko H-How can you just sit there and say that so calmly... even though... all of that only happened just yesterday...!
This is exactly why menaces like you are so horrible! You've got about as much senstivity as a microbe!
Tsumugi Yeah, so don't go complaining if some scary-looking person starts shouting "What color is your blood?" at you!
Kokichi ...it's because you keep saying things like this that Monokuma keeps taking advantage of you.
Shuichi ...huh?
Kokichi Ah, did you hear that? It's nothing--I was just talking to myself.
Monokuma Yahoo, it looks like things are getting pretty fun and exciting in here. Let me join in too!
Kokichi Yep! Everyone's ganging up and bullying me. They're having lots of fun!

Reading this without knowing who Kokichi is would certainly throw you off in a different direction, but Kokichi is hyper-aware and overtly hyper-aware--enough that he is comfortable pushing it even further by openly admitting to purposefully tilting the atmosphere (yes--it should be implied that he knows exactly what he's doing and that everyone there is aware that he's feigning innocence), something I would attribute to the cp 6 attitude. Internally, what Kokichi is doing is sizing up his audience and seeing if they are indeed capable of stopping the killing game.

Kokichi So, what were we talking about again? Something about everyone cooperating together to get out of here?
Tenko ...so you were listening after all. Truly a menace with a bad personality.
Kokichi Well, even without cooperating with anyone, all you have to do is just go ask directly how you can get out of here.
Maki If we asked Monokuma, obviously all he'd say is "win the killing game."
Kokichi Ah, that's not it. Don't ask Monokuma--ask the ringleader among us.
Miu Are you mentally 80 years old or something? How the hell would we even know who the ringleader is?
Kokichi Hmm, I see. You're right.
Anyone who started looking for the ringleader might turn into the next .
Kaito You bastard! Stop messing around!
Kokichi Eh? Did you think I was just messing around? Aaah, you really don't get it after all. Even though this is something I'm saying for everyone's sake... each and every single time you all start talking positively, saying things like "let's cooperate" or "let's do our best"...
...you'll only get smacked down hard in the end, you know?

He just pushes it further and further--imagine this as Kokichi having doubt that there is someone among them who could end the killing game. He reacts to this doubt by testing people's reactions to see how capable they'd be in uncovering the "truth" (ha) about the killing game. But this begs the question: why is sizing people up and testing their worth this way not wing 8? This is because he has an underlying sense of doubt beneath it all when an 8 would have no trouble with it, and because of just about everything regarding who he is--how Kokichi Oma is so honestly dishonest, how Kokichi is much more thinking than he is instinctive, how Kokichi uses manipulation, underhandedness, and his analytical ability in order to accomplish what he means to accomplish, and how Kokichi is never afraid to expose any bit of him. I can't see Kokichi as a survivalistic, protective pillar of strength as much as a trickster preying on the fear of others in order to themselves from their own fear.

I relate an awful lot to the idea of learning my boundaries and pushing them further and further to the point where I trick myself into feeling invincible, and from the Enneagram's standpoint, I can see this meaning counterphobic 6 reacting to an unconscious sense of doubt by attacking exactly what creates that doubt. Kokichi should somewhat relate to this idea, and I think it's where his excessiveness comes into play, hence why I can understand an 8 wing typing. The energy behind 8's excess is very different from counterphobic 6's, but I hope all that makes a good case for 6. Kokichi had a unanimous 7w8 typing (with 13 votes!) on the previous website, but I think we've seen far worse Danganronpa consensuses there, hahaha.

I realize I'm comparing myself to Kokichi a lot and therefore blurring the lines a little bit between who he is and who I am, but I essentially mean to show that my vote for 7w6 isn't just because I absolutely don't see the 8 in him but because he actually is at least fairly, if not very, 6, and that this 6 may be harder to make out because it's just about locked into counterphobia. My keyword was testing, but the Enneagram's keyword is doubt.

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2018-09-07 12:41:02am (post #3185)

strawberry crisis enfp 7

Aside from his extremely strong desire to simply have fun doing what he does, Kokichi Ouma is all about lying, manipulating, testing, analyzing, and hiding his true self from others… if there exists that true self at all. These are all traits that do not match up with the frontal, direct, and integrity + justice-bound 8, but do in fact fit with those of a 6. I voted both Kokichi and Junko as 7w6s for this reason—I think it makes a lot of sense that neither of them have a direct "connection" to a gut type that way, too.

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2018-06-14 06:19:58pm (post #1222)

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